Desmosedici RR engine

[RAMMIUS]

[RC45]

Too little too late...

Honda perfected the V4 15 years ago.. (and before that the V3 )

V5 is where it's at these days...

[gobs3z]

From looking at this i realized that just out of curiosity do they make individual throttle botties for street bikes? I would just assume the sound would be amazing and power as well.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by gobs3z From looking at this i realized that just out of curiosity do they make individual throttle botties for street bikes? I would just assume the sound would be amazing and power as well.

As note previously... yes, the 1994 RC45 sported such individual throttle bodies.. this is nothing new.. Ducati is 11 years too late... again

[RAMMIUS]

really RC ? well does the Desmodromic system tells you anything ?

where is Honda then ? :roll:

[RC45]

Originally Posted by RAMMIUS really RC ? well does the Desmodromic system tells you anything ? where is Honda then ? :roll:

Where is Honda? Not bothering with that over-complex mechanical chaos Ducati has been trying to perfect for decades...

Where is Honda??

They rewrote the record books with the racing V5...

[RAMMIUS]

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by RAMMIUS really RC ? well does the Desmodromic system tells you anything ? where is Honda then ? :roll: Where is Honda? Not bothering with that over-complex mechanical chaos Ducati has been trying to perfect for decades... Where is Honda?? They rewrote the record books with the racing V5...

actually RC that Desmodromic system was PERFECTED a long time ago by Ducati and it works as it should

let me guess , if it was used by Honda , then it was an awesome piece of engineering isn`t it ?

now , there are V6 engines in Moto GP , you know , the Blata engine
sooooo , does that make it better than Honda`s V5 , because it has another cylinder ?


So is the case with Duke`s V4 with that ''over complex mechanical chaos '' how you like to call it , versus Honda`s V5 .

The most powerfull and revolutionary engine in Moto GP it`s the Ducati one , either you like it or not

[RC45]

It is wasted effort. It has never translated well into produciton form.

The Honda engines on the othe rhand have trickled down into production equipment and have proven to be sound engineering.

Ducati is just mechanical chaos, that has never translated into reliable production equipment - ever

Oh - and Honda have perfected the 6 cylinder GP engine in 1964 - so again Ducati is late to the game

Not to forget Honda even perfected the siamesed V8 - or oval pistoned V4 - so succesful a design, that the FIM had to include rules to prevent Honda from ever using their oval pistons past the 2 years they did - the years in which the NR dominated endurance racing.

So Hinda just went with the V4 and obliterated all comers for 10 years...

Until the FIM acknowledged Ducatis protests and again changed the rules.

Ducati is Italian for Mechanical Chaos..

[RAMMIUS]

^^^^ well that mechanical chaos , ruled the WorldSBK for years , so it`s an ''organized chaos '' after all that works and quite good

[maxbg]

Originally Posted by RAMMIUS ^^^^ well that mechanical chaos , ruled the WorldSBK for years , so it`s an ''organized chaos '' after all that works and quite good

They ruled the WSBK for years due to the capacity advantage over the IL4. Now that the IL4 capacity is allowed back to 1000cc, their domination is over.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by RAMMIUS ^^^^ well that mechanical chaos , ruled the WorldSBK for years , so it`s an ''organized chaos '' after all that works and quite good

Ducati homologated a new engine and chassis for every new year of competition - that is how many changes they had to make to "perfect" their chaos... and the only play Ducati did anything was in WSB sprint races...

Everywhere else, the Honda RC45 chassis was homologated for world use in 1993 (for 1994 season) and 1994 (for the 1995 European Season) - and never again...

That's right - the same homologated chassis and engine went on to dominate 750cc and open class endurance racing from 1993 to 2000 - until the cost of the RC45 program was no longer viable. That is how well the 45 was engineered in 1993 - which was a direct derivative of the NR racer and the NR road bike (the fuel injection systems and software and chassis) and the older RC30 (the engine layout and other components).

Not even Suzuki, Yamaha, Kawasaki or Ducati et al could topple them for 6 years - even though they all homologated new bikes every year (except Kawasaki - who kept the same WSB platform from 98 through 2000)

Ducati is a boutique brand It is not known as the Ferrari of bikes for nothing... -- with that name comes the stigma and reality of unreliability and tempermental engineering...

[RAMMIUS]

whatever you say RC

and about unreliability , well this should come from an owner , and by temperamental engineering I think you`ve wanted to say advanced engineering, but in your style RC , you`ve used an alternative word

[Svensson]

Originally Posted by gobs3z From looking at this i realized that just out of curiosity do they make individual throttle botties for street bikes? I would just assume the sound would be amazing and power as well.

All supersport street bikes like the R1, GSX-R etc use individual throttle bodies. The newest models even have twin-injector fuel injection. Every cilinder has a secondary fuel injector which sprays the fuel directly into the velocity stacks at higher rpm, just like in Formula 1.

[gobs3z]

Thanks for the info Svensson, they need to start building V-8 version's of these engines and crating them for track cars.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by RAMMIUS whatever you say RC and about unreliability , well this should come from an owner , and by temperamental engineering I think you`ve wanted to say advanced engineering, but in your style RC , you`ve used an alternative word

Well considering history, facts and track record is on my side.. it is what I say

An interesting engineering excercise.. nothing for the history books.