12-12-2007, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pagani
Ok on a turbo car you play whit the boost levels.
Most turbocars run on the their full on a dyno when they drive it on track the run lower boost.
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That is the very definition of a DYNO-QUEEN.
WHat is the point of posting "a number" then in reality the car doesnt run that on the road/track?
Originally Posted by pagani
Their standalone ecu's on the market that have multiple maps.
Example you have map for normal pump fuel.
And you have a second map for racefuel.'
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This is no longer a street car car then - it is a race modified car driven on the street - huge difference, and also rather pointless in the end.
Originally Posted by pagani
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So - by the time you have finishd you have $10 or $15,000 in custom race-only control system.
Basically for he price of a new F599 you now have a "custom controlled, dyno queen, high boost not-quite-a-race-car-not-quite-a-street-car" 
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12-12-2007, 02:08 PM
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The cars that run a motec ecu are far away from a dynoqueen as possible can be.
Most serious cars that can be driven on the street and track.
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12-12-2007, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RC45
That is the very definition of a DYNO-QUEEN.
WHat is the point of posting "a number" then in reality the car doesnt run that on the road/track?
This is no longer a street car car then - it is a race modified car driven on the street - huge difference, and also rather pointless in the end.
So - by the time you have finishd you have $10 or $15,000 in custom race-only control system.
Basically for he price of a new F599 you now have a "custom controlled, dyno queen, high boost not-quite-a-race-car-not-quite-a-street-car" |
Example if the engine can deliver 800 whp but you can't run it on 800 whp on road course because the tires spin to much less traction much lower times than you lower the boost so have power amd traction and when you are on dragstrip you can run the full 800 whp.
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12-12-2007, 02:19 PM
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example of turbo car on low boost but it still makes 630 whp can't do with a na car.
Second example this is running full power 770 hp
http://www.livevideo.com/video/Pagan...cosworth-.aspx
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12-12-2007, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by pagani
Example if the engine can deliver 800 whp but you can't run it on 800 whp on road course because the tires spin to much less traction much lower times than you lower the boost so have power amd traction and when you are on dragstrip you can run the full 800 whp.
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Tyres spinning has nothing to do with heat soak. And a "lap attack" time is NOT the same as running 50 laps in an afternoon - that car, on high or low boost would be either blown up or severly limited by the time the afternoon sessions roll around at a trackday event.
Street setup boosted cars with full interior, air conditioning and full bodywork suffer from the pains of heat soak that a purposebuilt race car does not.
Again, if heat soak was something easily overcome in a STREET orientated high boost car then there would be NO norally aspirated track day cars.
Every car youuse as an example is NOT a daily driver friendly STREET orientated car - they are purpose built race cars with a few barely street legal addons.
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12-12-2007, 03:08 PM
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The first car was a racecar build for the time attack.
And the second car is streetcar whit full interior.
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12-12-2007, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pagani
The first car was a racecar build for the time attack.
And the second car is streetcar whit full interior.
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I dont believe that about the second car - please post details of the car, showing it has a full engine bay, is running air conditioning, a stereo and all the other bits and pieces a proper street car runs.
And again - I challange that car to run a full day of road course work without suffering heat soak.
Running a few "drift" parade laps is not the same level of stress on a motor as a day of full throttle orad course work.
Why do youthink the folks drive their Porsche GT2's to the track, then lap in the their GT3's?
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12-12-2007, 03:21 PM
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Ok here it go's
Here are some pics of the second car i posted.
Their are porsche gt2 owners that track their cars.
Weight is 1430 kg that is the normal weight for a ford escort cosworth.
~~~images too big
Old dyno sheet of the car.
 Cossie Fredde in the fastest Ford! 0-100 3,6sec on street map :pVasteras Airport!
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12-12-2007, 04:02 PM
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Where are the pictures of the engine bay? Doesnt look like it has any license plate or other road worthy certificates or stickers.
And what tyres is it running on the street in street form?
And again, I would like to see that car run more than a few parade laps or pose as a dyno queen
I bet it hasn't, and it can't. And a few runs down the runway at the local airfield doesn't count either
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12-12-2007, 04:32 PM
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Here is your proof.
Engine bay
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12-12-2007, 04:35 PM
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wow, tons of turbo lag... and doesn't look all that fast on the street. a Dyno queen.
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12-12-2007, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by nthfinity
wow, tons of turbo lag... and doesn't look all that fast on the street. a Dyno queen.
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It's low 10 second car on the 1/4 mile.
That is plenty fast to me.
It's not a dyno queen.
You don't kown what a dyno queen is even it it landed for your feet.
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12-12-2007, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by pagani
It's low 10 second car on the 1/4 mile.
That is plenty fast to me.
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755 hp, and only 10s???
What was that old joke about the difference between a ricer with 500 hp and 800 hp? about 2/10th of a second 
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12-12-2007, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by nthfinity
755 hp, and only 10s???
What was that old joke about the difference between a ricer with 500 hp and 800 hp? about 2/10th of a second |
Yes for streetcar that is fast here in europe.
Europe and japanese makes the best 4 four banger cars not the us.
Keep your stupid ricer jokes where they belong
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12-12-2007, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pagani
Yes for streetcar that is fast here in europe.
Europe and japanese makes the best 4 four banger cars not the us.
Keep your stupid ricer jokes where they belong
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755 hp with 2800 or less lbs should be much faster then the low 10's is all that I'm saying. The speakers in the back speak volumes ... ahahahaha, get it? Volumes? LOL
(BTW, I love these "arguments" with you pagani  )
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