Go Back   Sports Car Forum - MotorWorld.net > Automotive Brands Forum > Ferrari

Ferrari Everything related to the Prancing Horse goes in here!



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-21-2007, 06:03 AM   #1
RAMMIUS
Regular User
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Romania
Posts: 1,248
Default R&T 599GTB test

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...rari599_dp.pdf

Another proof about Fiorano`s level of performance and technical refinment.
__________________
RAMMIUS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2007, 08:02 AM   #2
JoeHahn
Regular User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 417
Default

Well, at that price you could get lucky and pick up a 2nd hand Carrera GT with low miles.
__________________
Doodle!
JoeHahn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2007, 08:15 AM   #3
yg60m
Regular User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: France
Posts: 5,373
Default

It really is an impressive car even if I would maybe prefer an LP640
Thanks for the link
__________________
yg60m is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2007, 08:41 AM   #4
blue8
Regular User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,327
Default

Thank you very much for the link!! 0-60mph in 3.2 secs -- faster than the Enzo and most cars that they've tested :shock: ! Good thing they used a Euro-spec 599!
__________________

blue8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2007, 10:23 AM   #5
TopGearNL
Regular User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: The 51st State
Posts: 10,181
Default

Thanks!

As said this is such an impressive car! :shock:
__________________
TopGearNL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2007, 10:42 AM   #6
RAMMIUS
Regular User
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Romania
Posts: 1,248
Default

Originally Posted by insane
Originally Posted by blue8
Good thing they used a Euro-spec 599!
Is there any difference?

The US version doesn`t have LC
__________________
RAMMIUS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2007, 12:10 PM   #7
blue8
Regular User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,327
Default

Road & Track Article (May 2007 issue -- I can't believe they've already published the article online even when the magazine hasn't hit the newsstands):

Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano F1
Explosive to drive, this 575M Maranello successor is quicker than its powerplant donor: the Enzo.


The boss came into my office the other day and asked if I wanted to write the road test on Ferrari’s latest-and-greatest GT machine, the 599 GTB Fiorano. What was I going to say? "Gee, you know, I think I’m busy that week...." Yeah…right. Anyone with half a heartbeat and an able right foot would leap at the chance to spend some quality throttle-time with Maranello’s second most powerful (to the Enzo) street car ever.

And this is no creampuff, despite Ferrari calling the 599 a Gran Turismo. Its front-mounted 6.0-liter all-aluminum V-12 positioned well aft of the front axle is serious business, derived from the much vaunted, limited-production Enzo powerplant. Its power is breathtaking: 611 bhp at 7600 rpm and 448 lb.-ft. of torque at 5600.

The 599 may be down 39 bhp to the Enzo, but as we found at the track, that didn’t matter one bit.

Using a special launch mode shown to us by a Ferrari test driver on hand, the computer handles traction control and shifting. Launched in this manner, the 599 squats down hard on its rear 305/35ZR-20 Pirelli P Zero tires, lifts its nose and, with nary a bit of wheelspin, pins you back into the seat as it explodes to 60 mph in just 3.2 seconds. Yes, that’s right, quicker than an Enzo. That’s also quicker than the McLaren F1, the Porsche Carrera GT and 911 Turbo and the Saleen S7 Twin Turbo, and a tie with the 650-bhp Ruf Rt 12.

How is this possible? The special launch mode, for one thing, along with the latest 6-speed F1 gearbox (called F1 Superfast) that accomplishes shifts in just 100 milliseconds, versus the F430’s 150 milliseconds and the 575M Maranello’s 250 milliseconds. And those super-sticky P Zeros, developed specifically for the 599, with a tread-wear rating of 60. (That’s R-compound adhesion, as most performance tires exceed 200.)The 599 is not just quick off the line, but forges relentlessly up to speed, running the quarter mile in 11.2 sec. at 129.3 mph, eventually topping out at a claimed 205 mph.

It’s bested by 0.1 sec. through the quarter by the Enzo, and, of course, it’s no match for the Bugatti Veyron (2.6 sec. to 60 and a full second quicker in the quarter-mile—and $1.4 million, versus the 599’s base price of $278,345).

How does the 599 GTB handle? Thanks to front and rear forged-aluminum double-wishbone suspension and the first use of magneto-rheological dampers in a Ferrari road car (developed in collaboration with Delphi), the 599 exhibits sports-car handling in the guise of a GT. This damper system reacts four times faster than traditional versions, according to Ferrari, and reduces brake dive, acceleration squat and body roll. Although the steering was lighter than expected around the skidpad, the 599 circled at an impressive 0.97g. Its slalom speed of 71.2 mph is impressive in anyone’s book, even more so when you consider its curb weight (3865 lb.) and the length of its 108.3-in.wheelbase. It’s not the easiest car with which to navigate the orange cones, showing a tendency to swing its tail out if steering inputs are too abrupt.

On the road, the 599 simply dazzles, and if you find fault with what can only be called a “slightly harsh” ride with a bit more road noise than your Honda Accord’s, then you’re buying the wrong car. Throw the 599 into a corner and it just flat sticks, providing excellent feedback.

And, at a track day or the like, there’s only a trace of understeer if you’re driving with Schumacher-like aggression. Of course, the difference between the 599 and most cars is that with 611 bhp, eliminating understeer is just a poke of the throttle away. But only if you have the car’s steering-wheel-located manettino controller set to Race or CST Off, which disconnects the F1-derived stability control. The traction and yaw control in the Sport mode are far too invasive if you believe “fun” means getting the car a bit sideways. Sport provides a great safety net, but you simply can’t go as fast with it on, and it seems ridiculous that it upshifts for you at an indicated 8050 rpm; in Race and CST Off, it holds gears to the 8400-rpm limiter. The Race mode is less invasive, but to truly absorb the talents and raw ferocity of the 599, turn the manettino to CST Off. Now you can powerslide through corners at will and let the car’s enormous talent as a driver’s machine shine through.


The 599 starts not with a roar or a snarl, but rather barks to life, scaring the unsuspecting. Give the car full throttle in 1st or 2nd gear—at any rpm—and the force of acceleration is so great that it’s hard to keep focus on what lies up the road or on the red shift lights dancing across the top of the carbon-fiber-and-leather steering wheel—it’s all happening so fast!

But when you’re not ripping up through the gears at full throttle, mesmerized by the shrieking exhaust, enjoying the “crack” of each upshift or the mini backfires on deceleration, the 599 can be driven like a fairly normal car. It has good outward vision, easy ingress/egress and very comfortable seats, despite large bolsters for lateral support.

Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano F1 And it’s surprisingly quiet in 6th gear at highway speeds. The interior is quite roomy and impeccably finished in carbon fiber and rich leather, as these Ferraris are still of the almost-completely-handmade variety. Cubby space could be better, but it seems wrong to complain, especially in a car meant for driving fast, not driving to work.

The two huge vents atop the center stack did have my wife making cracks about the robot from the movie Short Circuit.

We’re not going to tell you the 599 is perfect; after all, one limiting factor is that it costs an exorbitant amount of money; the other is the outrageous wait list to buy one. And the trunk of our test car had a mind of its own, opening for us only sporadically, while the hood twice came partially unlatched at high speed. We didn’t like these problems, but we’re chalking them up to the extremely hard life this Euro-spec high-mileage test car has seen.

The more time you spend in the 599, the more you respect it; you can’t help being impressed by a car classified as a GT machine that can perform with the world’s best sports cars. And sure, it handles great and looks great. But eventually you realize something: What defines the 599 is that awe-inspiring 611-bhp V-12; the unreal power to which you never get accustomed, the way it wants to shred the rear tires under full throttle. And the most raucous, intoxicating exhaust note this side of a race car. We wonder how something this loud and this fast can be legal...but we’re not going to worry about it. We just wish we could start each day with one more run up through the gears.
__________________

blue8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2007, 12:12 PM   #8
Stoopie
Regular User
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: United Provinces of the Kingdom of Great Netherlands
Posts: 2,119
Default

Thanks blue8, I love those pictures! The article is really nice as well, thanks!
Stoopie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2007, 12:16 PM   #9
TopGearNL
Regular User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: The 51st State
Posts: 10,181
Default

Thanks for that nice Write-up Blue8! 8)
__________________
TopGearNL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2007, 12:32 PM   #10
sameerrao
Regular User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: TX
Posts: 3,850
Default

Thanks for the write-up. Very impressive performance. I am sure the US car will be a bit slower as it is heavier(normally the US cars are heavier due to more extensive equipment, emissions, safety features) and without launch control (like the F430). I am assuming the 60 tread life tire was the PZero Corsa. I guess the US car will do a 0-60 in 3.5/3.6secs and 1/4 mile in 11.5secs on more normal tires.

To me, a Carrera GT would be more visceral but a 599 would be more practical/amenable to everyday driving/parking/etc.

Good luck finding one under $325-350K
__________________

"Tazio Nuvolari - The greatest driver of the past, the present and the future" - Ferdinand Porsche
sameerrao is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2007, 03:24 PM   #11
pagani
Regular User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Pagani Productions HQ
Posts: 6,237
Default

Originally Posted by dani_d_mas
Awesome performance, the 599 has taken the GT class to a whole new level

Anyway, I'd still get a TdF blue 550 Maranello instead... much more classy and beautiful
Who cares about looks when the 599 gtb is faster.
The ferrari hotrod.
8)
pagani is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2007, 05:53 PM   #12
sameerrao
Regular User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: TX
Posts: 3,850
Default

Originally Posted by dani_d_mas
Awesome performance, the 599 has taken the GT class to a whole new level

Anyway, I'd still get a TdF blue 550 Maranello instead... much more classy and beautiful
Traitor! I thought you wanted a TDF 355. Shame on you Dani for choosing a GT over a sportscar.
__________________

"Tazio Nuvolari - The greatest driver of the past, the present and the future" - Ferdinand Porsche
sameerrao is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2007, 08:36 PM   #13
sameerrao
Regular User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: TX
Posts: 3,850
Default

Sigh of relief! World moves from DEFCON 4 to DEFCON 2. Soldiers stand at ease now.

Dani said a Marenello in addition and not instead of the 355.

I am sure your Ferrari list is as extensive as mine Money is wasted on the wrong people mate! They can keep their 25000 sq ft house. I will take a 2 bedroom house and garage full of exotics instead.
__________________

"Tazio Nuvolari - The greatest driver of the past, the present and the future" - Ferdinand Porsche
sameerrao is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2007, 11:54 PM   #14
sentra_dude
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 2,610
Default

Awesome read, thanks! That car is amazingly quick, but how long do those tires last with only a 60 tread wear rating?! :shock:

Originally Posted by sameerrao
Sigh of relief! World moves from DEFCON 4 to DEFCON 2. Soldiers stand at ease now.

Dani said a Marenello in addition and not instead of the 355.

I am sure your Ferrari list is as extensive as mine Money is wasted on the wrong people mate! They can keep their 25000 sq ft house. I will take a 2 bedroom house and garage full of exotics instead.
:good: 8)
__________________

------------
1992 Toyota Celica GT 5spd, intake.
sentra_dude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2007, 08:27 AM   #15
blue8
Regular User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,327
Default

For comparative purposes:
Enzo: http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...2003153744.pdf
Carrera GT: http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...a_data.pdf.pdf
SLR McLaren: http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...data_panel.pdf
F430: http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...data_panel.pdf
__________________

blue8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump