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Old 06-17-2005, 02:41 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by nthfinity

in 2004, it was 17% of every corvette made... 5,683 total Z06's... how many CS's were made? how many 360's were made alotogether? somewhere less then the number of Z06's sold i think

The number of 360's made had nothing to do with how many they could sell. It had everything to do with Ferrari wanting to keep themselves exclusive and not producing more than 5000 cars a year. If you don't thing they could easily sell more than that, you're just mistaken
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Old 06-17-2005, 02:46 PM   #17
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in 2004, it was 17% of every corvette made... 5,683 total Z06's... how many CS's were made? how many 360's were made alotogether? somewhere less then the number of Z06's sold i think

The number of 360's made had nothing to do with how many they could sell. It had everything to do with Ferrari wanting to keep themselves exclusive and not producing more than 5000 cars a year. If you don't thing they could easily sell more than that, you're just mistaken
No sir - I think you may be mistaken - the 360 is not a limited production edition, it is simply a limited market edition.
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Old 06-17-2005, 02:52 PM   #18
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I was just making the point that you can't compare Ferrari sales figures because Ferrari limit themselves to how many cars a year they want to produce, it's not really a matter of how many cars they could sell. Btw what do you think of the corvette's styling? Personally i think the one you have looks better than this one
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Old 06-17-2005, 03:01 PM   #19
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Originally Posted by pharzo
I was just making the point that you can't compare Ferrari sales figures because Ferrari limit themselves to how many cars a year they want to produce, it's not really a matter of how many cars they could sell. Btw what do you think of the corvette's styling? Personally i think the one you have looks better than this one
I prefer my style FRC profile 1000% over the Coupe style to begin with - so even though the new Z06 is a beast - it doesn't have the look I would want.

Besides - 505 crank hp is not really that much these days, and instead of spending $70K+++ to reach 425rwhp (505 crank) of the new Z06, it is easily achieved for about $3,000 including labour spent on my car.
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Old 06-17-2005, 03:16 PM   #20
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Besides - 505 crank hp is not really that much these days, and instead of spending $70K+++ to reach 425rwhp (505 crank) of the new Z06, it is easily achieved for about $3,000 including labour spent on my car.
Yeah exactly, plus then you also get the pop-up headlights, which btw are the coolest things ever 8)
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Old 06-17-2005, 03:31 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by pharzo
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Besides - 505 crank hp is not really that much these days, and instead of spending $70K+++ to reach 425rwhp (505 crank) of the new Z06, it is easily achieved for about $3,000 including labour spent on my car.
Yeah exactly, plus then you also get the pop-up headlights, which btw are the coolest things ever 8)
Yes but I have already heard that the new Z06 with some mods will reach 800HP +!! The mods people are going to do to the new Z06 is going to be just sick!
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Old 06-17-2005, 04:02 PM   #22
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Besides - 505 crank hp is not really that much these days, and instead of spending $70K+++ to reach 425rwhp (505 crank) of the new Z06, it is easily achieved for about $3,000 including labour spent on my car.
Yeah exactly, plus then you also get the pop-up headlights, which btw are the coolest things ever 8)
Yes but I have already heard that the new Z06 with some mods will reach 800HP +!! The mods people are going to do to the new Z06 is going to be just sick!
800hp without significant rebuilding or S/C T/C is quite unrealistic..

Remember, the 427ci is a tried and true formula - there are many 650 crank hp NA 427ci and a fair number of TC 800hp+ cars running around - but the cost is rather more than normal bolt ons - which the new LS7 (with clever engineering) already includes.

The bottom line is a 650rwhp NA 427ci C6 Z06 will require significant investment over and above the $70K entry fee..

Thats why the guys who are running 550rwhp (650+ crank hp ) 427ci C5 Z06's answer the "You gonna buy one?" with a resounding "Why buy a slower car? "

But overall, at least the Corvette engineers followed up the C5 Z06 with an improvement - would have sucked it was slower..
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Old 06-17-2005, 04:39 PM   #23
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Z06 is still a special like the CS
This goes in my sig - yeah baby.. the Crown Prince Tifosi just said the "Z06 is like the CS..."

No I dadnt, I said the Z06 is like the CS in term of production, being a the faster/special version of the main production car, like the C5, and 360.
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Old 06-17-2005, 04:48 PM   #24
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first of all, ferrari is also probably restrained from producing more by its factory. i believe most of the ferraris are made by hand right? so they can only produce so many without turning to mass production techniques which would decrease the demand for the cars. if ferrari built a million 360s they would each cost 20000 dollars. the prices depends A LOT on how many are built.

and rc, you know just as well as anyone (and im sure youve pointed this out many times yourself) that comparing modded cars to stock cars is just ridiculous. so dont talk down on the z06 by saying that 505 hp isnt much bc you can get more than that for 3000 dollars in mods. 505 hp is an extremely huge amount of hp from a factory and you know it...
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Old 06-17-2005, 04:57 PM   #25
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Old 06-17-2005, 05:37 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by godspeed06
first of all, ferrari is also probably restrained from producing more by its factory. i believe most of the ferraris are made by hand right? so they can only produce so many without turning to mass production techniques which would decrease the demand for the cars. if ferrari built a million 360s they would each cost 20000 dollars. the prices depends A LOT on how many are built.

and rc, you know just as well as anyone (and im sure youve pointed this out many times yourself) that comparing modded cars to stock cars is just ridiculous. so dont talk down on the z06 by saying that 505 hp isnt much bc you can get more than that for 3000 dollars in mods. 505 hp is an extremely huge amount of hp from a factory and you know it...
505hp is not "extreme hp" for a 427ci small block - just witness all theC5R 427ci small blocks that have been installed into C5 Z06 for 4 years now.

So - the C6 Z06 is really just a factory endorsed mod that happens to follow the same formula that private citizens have been doing - as I say - for 4 years now... 427ci small block crate motor installs.

The C5R crate motor was as cose to an option as you could get...

So - comparing a C5R equipped C5 Z06 or a hot cam header C5Z06 to the C6 Z06 is very valid..

And I am sure you assume I am bullshitting you but - 500 crank hp from the LS6 is as simple as a cam install, tune and headers - 550hp is only a set of heads away... really it is.

And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce that the factory C6 Z06 is ismply a - you guessed it, hotrod 427ci big cam, heads and cam car.

All the other crap (like the aluminum frame etc) they through in so the C6R can compete with the new rules - afterall, the FIA rules were again changed to give Ferrari a leg up - and the ridiculous brakes (which will be the first thing ditched by class racers - and the greatest expense hitting privateers in T1) were inlcuded to help justify the price.

So gracefully, GM produced a car that incorporates the required fixtures to allow a C6R to compete in various classes - and enough add on bling to impress the posers..

[EDIT] I don't think Ferraris are "han made" any more - the factory is about as automated as it can get with robots and jigs etc - the assembly process is just a lot more hands on, surpervised and slower.
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Old 06-17-2005, 06:09 PM   #27
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Originally Posted by RC45

[EDIT] I don't think Ferraris are "han made" any more - the factory is about as automated as it can get with robots and jigs etc - the assembly process is just a lot more hands on, surpervised and slower.
Actually it still is, seen videos quite a few vids of their assembly line, and the seats are still stiched in factory, motors are compelty hand build the whole lot......
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Old 06-17-2005, 06:15 PM   #28
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Look at the Top Gear track board -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps/

Look how well the regular vette did, I cant wait to see the Z06 test lap, should give the 360CS a run for its money! Well considering its cost less than a 3rd the price of a 360CS I would say it will give it a SERIOUS run for its money
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Old 06-17-2005, 06:22 PM   #29
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Originally Posted by Global Hemisphere
Look at the Top Gear track board -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps/

Look how well the regular vette did, I cant wait to see the Z06 test lap, should give the 360CS a run for its money! Well considering its cost less than a 3rd the price of a 360CS I would say it will give it a SERIOUS run for its money
The C5 Z06 already equals the 360CS - on paper and around the track - the 430 is gonna be the first casualty of the C6 Z...
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Old 06-17-2005, 06:24 PM   #30
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Well the C6 Z06 should beat the 360CS no problem, its competing verses a 6+ year old chassis.

As RC said if its anybody its the F430.
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