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Goro · 07-19-2005, 04:26 AM

I find this a bit hard to believe but here it is black on white. It's The Stig's lap times on Top Gear. I'm pretty sure that if they tested the two cars under the exact same conditions the Enzo would be faster.

http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonb...times/thestig/

TT · 07-19-2005, 04:28 AM

It's not that hard to believe for many of us who saw the video footage :roll:

And BTW, it's not like it was 5 seconds faster.. it's such a small margin ...

dingo · 07-19-2005, 04:45 AM

I'm not sure why you are so suprised - watch the video and you'll see it with your own eyes.

styla21 · 07-19-2005, 04:54 AM

Well actually i am suprised. Very.
How does the MC12 - a car with 100 less Horsepower, 400 pounds heavier, and proportions less conducive to a quick lap time manage to lap faster than the Enzo?
I don't get it at all...

Ghostbat · 07-19-2005, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by styla21

Well actually i am suprised. Very.
How does the MC12 - a car with 100 less Horsepower, 400 pounds heavier, and proportions less conducive to a quick lap time manage to lap faster than the Enzo?
I don't get it at all...

I don't know about the weight but the MC12 is only about 30bhp down on the Enzo.

dingo · 07-19-2005, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by styla21

....400 pounds heavier.....

where did you get that from?

The MC12 weighs 1445kg (some sources say 1335kg but I think that is incorrect), and the Enzo is 80kg lighter at 1365kg.

Also like Ghostba t said the power diff is not as big as you said.

J-San · 07-19-2005, 07:51 AM

It's true that the MC12 is a bit heavier and less powerful than the Enzo, but the downforce-enhanced bodywork (made with racing in mind) is a huge advantage on the tracks. That's the main reason for the MC12 being faster than the Enzo. Other minor reason is that the ABS in the MC12 is less intrusive than in the Enzo, allowing the pilot to brake later into corners.

|Nuno| · 07-19-2005, 08:34 AM

Why was the MC12 faster?

Simple: different day, different conditions...

The cars weren't even tested on the same year, so we can't compare the lap times. Plus, Top Gear isn't exacly the most reliable source out there.

It's true that the MC12 is a bit heavier and less powerful than the Enzo, but the downforce-enhanced bodywork (made with racing in mind) is a huge advantage on the tracks.

On a track like Top Gear's test track, all it matters is mechanical grip; the speeds achieved aren't enough to generate much downforce. At least not enough to make downforce a preponderat factor on a good lap time.

Other minor reason is that the ABS in the MC12 is less intrusive than in the Enzo, allowing the pilot to brake later into corners.

I think they have the same ABS system, actually.

Don't let yourself fool by Clarckson, he said some pretty stupid things that day. Like, "the Enzo's Stability Control is more intrusive", when the Enzo doesn't even have a Stability Control... :roll:

On top of that, the MC12 is an Enzo. So the lap times will be close, despite some differences between the cars. However, on the same day with the same driver, I'm sure the Enzo would be faster. Simply because Ferrari wouldn't let the Maserati be faster than the Enzo.

RC45 · 07-19-2005, 08:51 AM

Maybe stig was sober for the Enzo run - I heard he has a mean lead foot when he's had a few pints..

pharzo · 07-19-2005, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by RC45

Maybe stig was sober for the Enzo run - I heard he has a mean lead foot when he's had a few pints..

A few pints of magnesium of course

On the MC12 being faster...just typical top gear bollocks

twboy1999 · 07-19-2005, 12:57 PM

arghhh
i thought mc12 is light than enzo... and 30hp down on enzo or something like that

where u guys get the info that mc12 is heavier??? i might be wrong

SFDMALEX · 07-19-2005, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by styla21

Well actually i am suprised. Very.
How does the MC12 - a car with 100 less Horsepower, 400 pounds heavier, and proportions less conducive to a quick lap time manage to lap faster than the Enzo?
I don't get it at all...

It just tells you how much difference a day at a track can make.

HoboPie · 07-19-2005, 01:41 PM

It's interesting because while every other review of the Enzo and MC12 say the Enzo is actually the racecar of the two, I've heard that the Potenzas on the MC12 are much better track tires.

An Enzo at Sugo lapped about 3 seconds quicker on the MC12 tires than on its standard bridgestones.

oantob · 07-19-2005, 09:55 PM

its all about the driver I guess, when it comes to two car with almost the same performance and same engine...
Maybe when Stig drive the MC12 he takes all the corner with the right angle and speed, so it makes a little faster time then the Enzo

Just try and play Granturismo and try to lap a circuit with a same car then you understand...

nthfinity · 07-19-2005, 10:19 PM

not to mention (if anybody ever notices) cars that TG like, the cars take totally different lines through the corners to make them appear like they are going at the limit, where its definately a slower line... for example, the F430 should've never hit the tire barrier... the TVR should not have taken such big cuts through the apex...

the vette should never have oversteered so crazy... just watch the laps

they are great fun to watch, but hardly comparable :roll: