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1zippo1 · 09-29-2003, 04:38 PM

I'm impressed st-ranger. Is there still any man who is stupid enough to question your authority on porsches... that man must be crazy!

I understand you point st-ranger but the test driver had a car with PSM on it and I suppose he dislikes any computer system interfering in his driving. I don't question the quality of the PSM system and the fact is that it allows most people to go faster on a track because they can come close to the limits and still controll the car. In some situations however I can also understand that there are people who just want a system that you can shut of completely to do anything they want. However I suppose Porsche rather keeps their customers alive

Thx for your proffessional explanation!! I wish I know 1/10 of cars technology that you know!!! Good to have you here.

st-anger · 09-30-2003, 12:28 PM

- the fourth Porsche -

so that´s no breaking news, it`s been under discussion some weeks now, but for those who haven`t heared it, Porsche is planning to add a fourth model line, to take the company towards 100,000 units/year.
there had already been some signs back in 2002 when mr. Wiedeking said in an interview after the Cayenne was introduced: "it's very simple: after three comes four and we have good ideas.... but if the car we have in mind comes to the market, we will have fewer friends than we have today." some sources have said that Porsche has been studying a four-passenger coupe, code-named E2A, and a four-door sedan, code-named E2B, which should compete with MB E55,BMW M5, or Audi RS6.
there are some rumours, that it`ll launch in 2006 but these are only speculations. there are some speculations an what platform the 4th Porsche´ll be based on, building a new one´ll be way too expensive to develop, and there´d be no place where it would be built. by outsourcing, it`s likely that porsche is assigning Magna ( BMW X3 ) to build the car, but in the other hand it can also be based on a lightened version of the Cayenne platform, where the chassis weight can be reduced significantly since it will not require the underside durability built into the Cayenne.
this would save money, because the Cayenne uses, thx to a joint venture with VW, VW stamps, welds and they´re painting the body.
about the engine, the 911`s flat six would be unlikely to fit in a front engined bay. more likely, if the E2A & E2B modells are priced nearer the 911 than a Boxster and are 5 series sized, is the V8 of the Cayenne with the power kit ( ~ 500+hp )
another engine might be the V6 from the Cayenne V6.
Porsche management have stated that they will give an update on their plans for a 4th model in early 2004...

scubywrxr · 09-30-2003, 04:06 PM

I read that W. rohrl`s unofficial time in the CGT around the `ring was about 7min25s .. a radical turbo did it in 7 mins 13s!

thatts 2 freaking fast cars!

If its a dedicated lap in a specially prepared CGT - uh 10 secs faster??

st-anger · 09-30-2003, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by scubywrxr

I read that W. rohrl`s unofficial time in the CGT around the `ring was about 7min25s ...

where did you get that info from???

scubywrxr · 10-01-2003, 11:42 AM

A local South African magazine called DRIVE published an article about fastest laps around the nordschleife. road car record was last held by a gemballa 600 that was subsequently beaten by a british team running a radical turbo (officially factory backed) - the time was actually 7 min 19 secs not 13 secs as stated above- I made a mistake

ops:

Interesting facts are that the Radical turbo equipped with AP racing brakes achieved 1.65g maximum deceleration and 1.6g maximum cornering force! this was on standard road tyres and not slicks!
The gemballa was slightly faster on the straights but could not come close around the corners or braking areas..

The magazine says the quickest ever lap was in 1985 done in a porsche 956/962 in about 6 minutes and a few seconds over!

They say that W R did the unofficial laps in about 7 min 25 s whilst developing the CGT at the `ring and was not an ultimate lap! so we can expect more...

st-anger · 10-01-2003, 12:21 PM

i think that`s what you mean:
Stefan Bellof in a ROTHMANS Porsche 956C clocked a 6:11min in 1983 but on the 20,832 km track, not the 25km!!!
i´ve seen a vid of Derek Bell clocking a 6:41 in the same car, and when you know the Nordschleife, and see this vid, it`s simply unbelievable...

what i ´ve heared, the best time W R clocked during developing the CGT on the Nordschleife had been a 7:37, as i posted in the "Porsche news".
this is the time W R confirmed when he`s asked.

but the figures of the Radical are really quite nice, 1.6 gs are quite a lot with std. tyres :shock:
but in relation to the weight...hmmm....can we say it´s a true "car" and compare it with a CSL, GT3 or GTR 600???

SDK2003 · 10-02-2003, 02:04 PM

---> View the EVO Porsche GT article here

SDK2003 · 10-02-2003, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by st-anger

Originally Posted by scubywrxr

I read that W. rohrl`s unofficial time in the CGT around the `ring was about 7min25s ...

where did you get that info from???

Read this - http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/New...iefe/index.htm

Another good read - http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/News_Folder/roadsr3/

Also

A top speed of over 160mph was recorded on the Döttinger Höhe straight, and even with the Dunlop Formula R road tyres, a cornering force of 2.1g was not uncommon.

st-anger · 10-02-2003, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by SDK2003

---> View the EVO Porsche GT article here

thx for the nice article SDK, i really enjoy it !!!

st-anger · 10-04-2003, 09:36 AM

http://www.retromotorcompany.co.uk/selecta/ps.htm

TT · 10-04-2003, 10:04 AM

Very nice site, thanks dude!!

Chingachgook · 10-04-2003, 11:21 AM

Thanks for the links!
Evo article is so good....

st-anger · 10-05-2003, 11:27 AM

GT3RS around test track in Weissach, not that spectacular like the one with the CGT, but who cares....

http://content3.eu.porsche.com/prod/...erienceontrack

SFDMALEX · 10-05-2003, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by st-anger

GT3RS around test track in Weissach, not that spectacular like the one with the CGT, but who cares....

http://content3.eu.porsche.com/prod/...erienceontrack

WOW. Thanks St.Anger. That was lovely 3 different views....

From the looks of it the steering looked super light, plus the driver turned the wheel quite alot for the car to turn(not anything negative, I just though its going to be more race car(ish).

Great Vid.

st-anger · 10-06-2003, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by st-anger

- Cayenne V6 Targa spotted in Leipzig factory -

a friend of mine arrived back from Porsche factory in Leipzig this morning and he immediately came over to tell me the latest news:
he saw a reference model for the Cayenne Targa V6 with 6-speed manual.
the handle seems to be quite large for a Porsche shift handle, and also some other interiour changes can be seen, like the ventilation system’s buttons. if you ever had the chance to look inside a Cayenne S or TT you`ll see two separated silver buttons to adjust airflow and temperature of the aircondition on each side. the V6 modell he saw has only one big silver button on each side, which indicates that automatic aircondition won’t be standard on the V6. The glass roof itself has two partitions upfront, one above the front seats and one above the rear seats. Both looked to be moveable. Next to it is a fixed large glass roof covering the trunk area. so he said that it`s quite as airy in the Cayenne Targa as it`s in the 996 modell because of the fact that really the whole roof consists of glass.

cameras are forbidden inside the factory, so here is a photoshopped pic of a 955TT Targa:

so here we go, as i informed you exclusively some weeks ago about the 955 Targa, here are the first pics of testing it round the Nordschleife: