600hp CTS Super V confirmed? Bye-bye M5/E55/RS6... ;)

[RC45]

Originally Posted by LotusGT1 Laptimes don't tell which car is the best handler, as you have claimed.

So then you are now saying that an Exige while lapping an autocross track in a quicker time than a Corvtte will not handle better?

Originally Posted by LotusGT1 The CTS-V is not per se the best handler, as you have claimed.

Why? Because you say so?

Originally Posted by LotusGT1 The European market/manufacturers won't be afraid of this car, because of several reasons as I've pointed out.

Hhmm.. thge manufacturers never cared - but the discerning buyer will.

BTW, just think of all the changes made to car models just to increase US sales... so I would think the manufacturers know where the money is...

[LotusGT1]

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by LotusGT1 Laptimes don't tell which car is the best handler, as you have claimed. So then you are now saying that an Exige while lapping an autocross track in a quicker time than a Corvtte will not handle better?

The Exige outhandles the Corvette obviously....I never claimed otherwise...

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by LotusGT1 The CTS-V is not per se the best handler, as you have claimed. Why? Because you say so?

No, because enough experienced drivers said so.

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by LotusGT1 The European market/manufacturers won't be afraid of this car, because of several reasons as I've pointed out. Hhmm.. thge manufacturers never cared - but the discerning buyer will BTW, just think of all the changes made to car models just to increase US sales... so I would think the manufacturers know where the money is...

LOL, read my explanation again. On the european market Caddilac won't stand a chance. And as for the US market, we'll see. I doubt Bmw/Mercedes/Audi will get nightmares because of this car. They suit a different market...

[T-Bird]

I know a few people who have moved from the 3 series to the CTS and I'm sure many others have and I know of alot of people that own European cars that are very interested in the CTS-V the idea is that Cadillac wants to dent the market with the CTS and CTS-V and they will and with the upcoming STS now with RWD they will really be making a comeback into the luxury/sport market so I'm sure the other over yonder have been paying alot of attention to this car. And the CTS-V is a pretty damn good handler considering they barely changed any suspension steering components on the car for the racing versions when all the other are heavily modified cars. There really is no way of satisfying either side unless every here gets together and has a go with the CTS-V, M5, RS6, and just for shits and giggles the M3, Z06, and why not the Exige just to settle all the arguments that have gone on in the last 7 pages.

BTW Lotus try editing your quotes a little better.

[LotusGT1]

Originally Posted by T-Bird BTW Lotus try editing your quotes a little better.

????

[T-Bird]

Originally Posted by LotusGT1 Originally Posted by T-Bird BTW Lotus try editing your quotes a little better. ????

nice when I looked at it first none of the quotes where on RC45's I'm guessing you fixed that though.

[graywolf624]

No, because enough experienced drivers said so.

Which ones would that be.. Funny Ive listened to several real drivers say its a great handling car.. Only one source.. witha broken car.. said it wasnt a good handler..
hmm.. I wonder.

[LotusGT1]

I never said the CTS-V is a bad handler. I only said the M# was called nimbler.

This discussion isn't going anywhere....let's drop it.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by LotusGT1 I never said the CTS-V is a bad handler. I only said the M# was called nimbler.

Jebeezus - it sure took you long enoughto say so... :roll: -- next time stick to dutch...

Originally Posted by LotusGT1 This discussion isn't going anywhere....let's drop it.

Looks like you are the only one who was carrying it to begin with...

[goose93]

Here is the problem with the CTS... No matter how fast it is.

GM build quality still sucks. I don't understand why GM keeps trying to complete in the European car market with a car that is so shotty compared to it's competition.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by goose93 Here is the problem with the CTS... No matter how fast it is. GM build quality still sucks. I don't understand why GM keeps trying to complete in the European car market with a car that is so shotty compared to it's competition.

Please be sure to qualify the CTS-V - which is what is under discussion.

No one ever claimed GM was the "bnest detail finisher" - what is being loudly screamed from the rooftop[s is that they are offering what is possibly the best hp/dollar in a 4 door performance sedan ever.

[LotusGT1]

Originally Posted by RC45 Jebeezus - it sure took you long enoughto say so... :roll: -- next time stick to dutch...

I see basic english has been troubling you. We can fund your education here on JW, we care :roll:

Originally Posted by RC45 Looks like you are the only one who was carrying it to begin with...

Emh, just pointing out the numerous flaws in your story. That, and using your debating tactics, was enough to piss you off. I enjoyed myself pointing out your faults, thanks...

[komotar]

[graywolf624]

GM build quality still sucks.

There build quality doesnt suck. Quite the opposite.. If you want to argue that their idea of luxury isnt the same as yours then fine. but thats different.

[fabro_s]

Too much for a cadillac, they should put thos horspower on the XLR not on the cts!!

[T-Bird]

they seem to be working on one of those right now actually.