What is best Sports Car buy around?

[TopGearNL]

Stop quoting!

[Caplax40]

Originally Posted by TopGearNL Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by HeilSvenska Originally Posted by TopGearNL Originally Posted by 79TA Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by PATo355 Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by ViperASR Originally Posted by brembo [quote:fb571329e0="everso"][quote:fb571329e0="TNT"]ok lock this thread now, its just going to be another z06 vs the world. :roll: the accused is the only JW member communist enough to open a thread, ask a question, and then argue with the people who answer the question---then try to convince them he's right. hilarious, isn't it? Well not only open a thread asking a question he set the criteria where he knows they are the only place his option shine, and when some people come with an option and ask him a question he dont want to answer, I wonder why.... and add to the criteria on every page to make a certain car shine over the others. I called that on the 1st page And sense when is the 350Z and the M3 too slow? I like both of those cars, and both are very quick out of the box, and the 350Z has a huge tuner market behind it Except they are both dog slow when compared to real sports cars like the GT3, 911T F430 - ehck even compared toa F360 they are slow. You said it has to be on the 50 to 100k mark ... dont think that everybody can afford a 100k car tho ... but anyways , the GT3 is 110k , the 911t is 160k , the F430 is 200k ... Thats the point - there are only a few cars with the prerformance of a $200K car and the price of a $50K car. . . . toooooo many boxes! What? Meh. I've seen worse.

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I can quote too

[TopGearNL]

But whats the final conclusion?

EDITED: Sorry Jabba..!

[Jabba]

Lets not start to get silly with the over quoting please

[ViperASR]

^^^
lol, I was wondering when someone would intervene with the quoting

[obdr]

Not to change to topic too much.........but wouldnt it have been nice it Mazda had taken the RX-7 and put a more reliable V-6 twin turbo set up in it instead of the Rotary which, while unique and intresting, didnt tend to last very long at all if driven hard.

Another car Im looking forward to: The Mazdaspeed Mx-5. Assuming they give the same treatment to it that they gave to the last one (read, TURBO, suspension upgrades, body changes, etc) it should be one interesting proposition. They already have the monster turbo 4 from the Mazdaspeed 3 that pushes out more torque then a base Evo........they could use that. Here's to hoping. It could give the S2000 a run for its money if Mazda are brave enough to develope it into a hardcore car. Certainly the basics are there. Low weight, rear wheel drive, small, nimble, open top, sweet gearbox, low center of gravity.....and an engine already developed. Ugh......

[RC45]

Originally Posted by Jabba Lets not start to get silly with the over quoting please

Feel free to delete em all - I think they ended up being a little bit a tension deflector

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by Neema702 RC45, nthfinity, and Heilsvenska: fanboy my ass you dumbfucks. ya'll think someone needs to drive a car to know about it... what kind of stupid ass logic is that... are ya'll trying to say everyhting ive ever read is wrong... and on top of that... ive driven plenty of cars (shitty and exotic) and i know just as much about cars as any other true car lover... so ya'll can suck my dick with this fanboy shit.

You didn't refute my assertion very well...

M3 CSL = semi slick tires with additional suspension geometry differences to the standard M3; porsche suggest that a sport badged 911 is good for roughly an additional 7 seconds on NS (keep in mind, S models have between 30, and 50 more bhp on tap then the standard model) with michillin PS2's vs. Exulto? (all weather) that come with the standard model.

on a track like NS, 7 seconds is massive!

the C6 Z06 runs on runflat tires, which as you know being a factboy are not all that grippy; where the Z06 relies heavily on mechanical grip; all while the tires are rated to last far longer then a semi slick. A semi-slick alone is enough to drop another 5-7 seconds w/out any suspension modifications... so given similar tires, a C5 Z06 would've hit 7:50 (faster then a Ferrari 360 CS with semi slicks (which has an additional 25 bhp) equaled a Murcielago which has an additional 185 bhp, and been only 3 seconds off pace of a McLaren SLR which as 215 more bhp... the CSL is a very harsh ride by all accounts... the Z06 is still daily drivable, at home both on the track and on the road. The CSL is an impressive car; but dropping the weight, and adding 30 more bhp ends up costing near the mark of 100,000$ if you could get one... good luck importing it
the 997GT3 RS lapped NS in 7:42, while the C6 Zo6 lapped in 7:42, and on a tighter track, the benefit slightly sways in favor of the GT3 RS by 1/2 a second... damn impressive handling from the C6 Zo6, is it not? I mean... porsche have a stripped out race car that is awsome and they are the master's of the NS, right?

Ask any track-goer how much 100 hp improves thier lap times sure, it is measurable, but it isn't such a massive number.

to further argue.... the 997 GT3 RS has semi slicks, and is 5 seconds faster then the standard 997 GT3; so let us assume that the vette gets a similar advantage, with the same semi-slicks, it may lap NS in 7:37.9... but, as you know, with more power available... you can go on throttle earlier on the exit of turns... so... such a direct measurement isn't exactly 100% accurate

is the Z06 the best handling machine? far from it, if you want that, go buy a Caterham SLR, or Ariel Atom, or shifter kart for that matter... but in terms of road cars that are daily drivable; the C6 Z06 is right up there with the M3 CSL's, the 911 GT3's and GT3 RS's, Ferrari 360 CS, F430's, Gallardo's, Ford GT's, etc. etc. etc.

hopefully you can learn a little from this ; there is no spin i'm giving here, not'n but plain ol' logic

[Neema702]

Originally Posted by nthfinity You didn't refute my assertion very well... M3 CSL = semi slick tires with additional suspension geometry differences to the standard M3; porsche suggest that a sport badged 911 is good for roughly an additional 7 seconds on NS (keep in mind, S models have between 30, and 50 more bhp on tap then the standard model) with michillin PS2's vs. Exulto? (all weather) that come with the standard model. on a track like NS, 7 seconds is massive!

You just made my point nthfinity... the fact that porsche claims a 911 can go around the NS 7 seconds faster due to 30-50 more HP is exactly what im saying. The Z06 has 100 more HP then a E46 CSL and it weighs less (225 pounds less!) then the CSL and the CSL still managed to get within 7 seconds. Plus... ur assumption that the Z06 did the 7:43 lap with run-flats is unsubstantiated.

And all this talk about taking 5 seconds off the Z06's time due to tires is also pure assumption. The 997 GT3 weighs 267 pounds more then a Z06 AND has 90 less HP but still managed to go around the track faster then the Z06. and since your so down to make assumptions, lets assume we gave the 997 GT3 90 more HP, it would blow the Z06 away on a track. No one said that all porsche or bmw cars would beat the Z06 around a track, i said they have far better handling, and i think the numbers show this. Plus... ive driven a 996 GT3 and a C5 Z06, and i gotta tell you, the porsche is def. superior when it comes to handling and grip.

Originally Posted by nthfinity so given similar tires, a C5 Z06 would've hit 7:50 (faster then a Ferrari 360 CS with semi slicks (which has an additional 25 bhp) equaled a Murcielago which has an additional 185 bhp, and been only 3 seconds off pace of a McLaren SLR which as 215 more bhp...

We're talking about the Z06, BMW's, and Porsche's... NOT ferrari's, Lambos, and benzo's...

Originally Posted by nthfinity the C6 Z06 is right up there with the M3 CSL's, the 911 GT3's and GT3 RS's, Ferrari 360 CS, F430's, Gallardo's, Ford GT's, etc. etc. etc. hopefully you can learn a little from this ; there is no spin i'm giving here, not'n but plain ol' logic

The Z06 is a great car for 70K, amazing for that matter... but it is NOT up there with the 997 GT3's and Ford GT's. Plus you cant compare the C6 Z06 to the 996 porsche's or an F430 or 360 CS, wait until the F430 CS or the 997 GT2 comes out, then compare. your plain ol'logic seems a little off... id say a little biased... haha

[harryo2b]

Originally Posted by Neema702 Originally Posted by nthfinity You didn't refute my assertion very well... M3 CSL = semi slick tires with additional suspension geometry differences to the standard M3; porsche suggest that a sport badged 911 is good for roughly an additional 7 seconds on NS (keep in mind, S models have between 30, and 50 more bhp on tap then the standard model) with michillin PS2's vs. Exulto? (all weather) that come with the standard model. on a track like NS, 7 seconds is massive! You just made my point nthfinity... the fact that porsche claims a 911 can go around the NS 7 seconds faster due to 30-50 more HP is exactly what im saying. The Z06 has 100 more HP then a E46 CSL and it weighs less (225 pounds less!) then the CSL and the CSL still managed to get within 7 seconds. Plus... ur assumption that the Z06 did the 7:43 lap with run-flats is unsubstantiated. And all this talk about taking 5 seconds off the Z06's time due to tires is also pure assumption. The 997 GT3 weighs 267 pounds more then a Z06 AND has 90 less HP but still managed to go around the track faster then the Z06. and since your so down to make assumptions, lets assume we gave the 997 GT3 90 more HP, it would blow the Z06 away on a track. No one said that all porsche or bmw cars would beat the Z06 around a track, i said they have far better handling, and i think the numbers show this. Plus... ive driven a 996 GT3 and a C5 Z06, and i gotta tell you, the porsche is def. superior when it comes to handling and grip. Originally Posted by nthfinity so given similar tires, a C5 Z06 would've hit 7:50 (faster then a Ferrari 360 CS with semi slicks (which has an additional 25 bhp) equaled a Murcielago which has an additional 185 bhp, and been only 3 seconds off pace of a McLaren SLR which as 215 more bhp... We're talking about the Z06, BMW's, and Porsche's... NOT ferrari's, Lambos, and benzo's... Originally Posted by nthfinity the C6 Z06 is right up there with the M3 CSL's, the 911 GT3's and GT3 RS's, Ferrari 360 CS, F430's, Gallardo's, Ford GT's, etc. etc. etc. hopefully you can learn a little from this ; there is no spin i'm giving here, not'n but plain ol' logic The Z06 is a great car for 70K, amazing for that matter... but it is NOT up there with the 997 GT3's and Ford GT's. Plus you cant compare the C6 Z06 to the 996 porsche's or an F430 or 360 CS, wait until the F430 CS or the 997 GT2 comes out, then compare. your plain ol'logic seems a little off... id say a little biased... haha

Problem pitting the Z06 up against the "911" is that there are many damn variants of the 911 that you could put up against the Z for comparison. Z06 being the best car per dollar for the track would it go up against the GT3 or the GT2 which are both Porsche's track oriented cars? If you want to pit the car against it's closest HP Porsche rival for the moment it would be the Turbo which is more GT.

[tforth]

and the corvette is fast and good looking , but if it goes like a 200k ferrari , and the corvette is just 50k , they must have save the money somewhere , the answer ? cheap materials

The other reason no one seems to mention is that GM heavily subsidizes every Z06 they sell, whereas Ferrari makes a killing on most of their cars, partially because people are willing to pay for the 'image/mystique'.

[sameerrao]

I don't know what you guys are fighting about - the best sports car is the Ferrari 348

[tforth]

nthfinity wrote:

A semi-slick alone is enough to drop another 5-7 seconds w/out any suspension modifications...

Well that's interesting because, using the 996 GT3 & RS as references, you're wrong. There are a lot more differences than just the tires between these two (i.e. weight, suspension, a big wing on the back, etc.), and the official difference between them on the NS is ---> 5s. I'll include the source, unlike other people around here:

http://www.answers.com/topic/nordsch...test-lap-times

[RC45]

Originally Posted by tforth nthfinity wrote: A semi-slick alone is enough to drop another 5-7 seconds w/out any suspension modifications... Well that's interesting because, using the 996 GT3 & RS as references, you're wrong. There are a lot more differences than just the tires between these two (i.e. weight, suspension, a big wing on the back, etc.), and the official difference between them on the NS is ---> 5s. I'll include the source, unlike other people around here: http://www.answers.com/topic/nordsch...test-lap-times

Uhm - answers.com just culled their list from The unOffcial Nurburgring site - and a couple are incorrect.

[Neema702]

very valid point harryo2b... altho i think the GT3 is the most direct competitor to the Z06 out of the 911's, due to both price and performance.

tforth... you are a wise man... need more like you... haha!

you know sameerrao... id agree... but i just love the 355 so much more...