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03-23-2005, 10:37 PM
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Excellent info on Manthey racing, thanks for that info st-anger. Yes, Ruf is beloved by everyone in North America largely in part to the video of Stefan Roser tearing up the N-Ring. Ruf is known in North America for being the best import Porsche tuner, the first that I have heard of Manthey is from this thread. Of course, there is someone always producing a better car if you have the money for it. One of my dad's friends has a RUF, not with a VIN because in Canada it is basically illegal due to the crash test restrictions, but it has a plaque from Alois. This is the fastest car that I have ever had the pleasure of riding in. As well, from all of the tuners for Porsches out there, in all of the North American car mags that have tested RUF's, they have never, ever, not once worked improperly, that is why everyone over the pond loves and lusts after them. If I had the money and one day soon I will, I would get a Manthey because no one knows about them and it would be very special
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03-24-2005, 01:54 PM
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...i´m absolutely with u lakatu when u mention e.g. the Yellowbird, or also "newer" cars like R-Turbo that cracked the 350...
to clock a low 8 back then outrunning cars like 959 IS quite something and we needn´t discuss that these performances won´t come from nowhere and nothing, Alois, his family and especially his father are of course die-hard Porsche maniacs´knowing their business but he wasn´t able to keep a certain level, not only performance wise but also as the whole Ruf thing, and this has been the reason why Ruf is definitely not on my top three list, as today they are concentrating too much on the wrong things, the "business influence" overcame the ppl there a bit too much, this is why ppl like Reinhold Schmirler, Ruf´s former TOP mechanic and engine specialist left Ruf to start his own business with RS-Tuning, and the "wrong way" i´m speaking of is making show cars and more than half of the well known Porsche tuners are concentrating on this...
...of course there´re pros and cons of all this and i could talk on for hours about this topic but i don´t hink it´s fair to highlight or mistreat a tuner here as there´re so many different opinions, i just added my very own view, i think anyone who´s read a bit between the lines will know what it´s all about...
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03-24-2005, 02:08 PM
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03-24-2005, 02:56 PM
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03-24-2005, 03:38 PM
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ive been a little absent lately, st. anger, lakatu... so ive spent the last few days catching up on my need for all things Porsche
i especially loved reading the article about manthley... i began suspecting reliability issues with various images of fried out 911's from a few of the tuners... but before that article, i was unaware of manthley's existance.
i agree 100% that so many 'tuners' these days are making show cars, and even manufacturer's are making cars that do well for just a few days of hard testing, rather then the long haul. its good to hear a few are still up to extreame levels of quality standards when it comes to longetivity (i would rather have 500 hp for 5 years then 700 for 1 year before a major overhaul)
always doing a great job here, and keep it up  8)
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03-24-2005, 04:20 PM
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...still my all time favourite when it comes down to looks, i simply LOVE that car, for me as a Porsche freak the most beautiful car ever...
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couldn't agree more, it's one of the greatest porsches ever IMO
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03-24-2005, 04:25 PM
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LOL I was just thinking yesterday how much I miss hearing from you nthfinity. I figured you were really busy with school and exams  . It is great to hear from you again.
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03-25-2005, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by st-anger
...i´m absolutely with u lakatu when u mention e.g. the Yellowbird, or also "newer" cars like R-Turbo that cracked the 350...
to clock a low 8 back then outrunning cars like 959 IS quite something and we needn´t discuss that these performances won´t come from nowhere and nothing, Alois, his family and especially his father are of course die-hard Porsche maniacs´knowing their business but he wasn´t able to keep a certain level, not only performance wise but also as the whole Ruf thing, and this has been the reason why Ruf is definitely not on my top three list, as today they are concentrating too much on the wrong things, the "business influence" overcame the ppl there a bit too much, this is why ppl like Reinhold Schmirler, Ruf´s former TOP mechanic and engine specialist left Ruf to start his own business with RS-Tuning, and the "wrong way" i´m speaking of is making show cars and more than half of the well known Porsche tuners are concentrating on this...
...of course there´re pros and cons of all this and i could talk on for hours about this topic but i don´t hink it´s fair to highlight or mistreat a tuner here as there´re so many different opinions, i just added my very own view, i think anyone who´s read a bit between the lines will know what it´s all about... 
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That makes a lot of sense st-anger. So Ruf use to be a great performance shop and after it became successful they lost that focus. I think that is a natural tendency with any company that tries to fit a very narrow niche of customers. In order to grow you start to try and satisfy a wider range of customer preferences. Porsche had similar problems losing focus and trying to appeal to a wider audience. IMO they have corrected this in part by expanding their product line to offer more pure performance cars.
Now that you mention it I vaguely recall that you mentioned before that Reinhold Schmirler use to work for Ruf. It tried to find some information about when he left Ruf to start RS Tuning but everything I pulled up was in German  .
Thanks for the scan of the 993 TT and the GT2.
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03-25-2005, 08:59 AM
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03-25-2005, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwalbe JG 44
I have some questions for you st-anger: Do you have any infos or pictures concerning the race prep 996 GT2 behind the black CGT ?

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...hmmmm, sorry - only thing i came up with is this pic but nothing more i´m afraid...
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03-25-2005, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by st-anger
...hmmmm, sorry - only thing i came up with is this pic but nothing more i´m afraid...
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Thanks a lot st-anger, this pictures is perfectly what I wanted.
I like a lot the Porsche 996 GT2 and this racing model is more rare than the GT3 racing version.
It's nice to see the Lakatu (18" 911 wheels theory).
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03-25-2005, 03:29 PM
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Finally found a little time to read the GT article “Blown Away”.
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“You have to pity the engineers task of improving on this.”
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Well there is a small tear forming in the corner of my eye st-anger for the anguish that must have caused you  . Seriously I’m sure that is the case every time Porsche creates a 911 replacement.
I have to say that while I haven’t driven either I think that they exaggerated the similar performance of the 993TT to the 996TT. The writer indicated that he felt that the 993TT would hold it’s own with a similarly powered 996TT over undulating road surfaces with fast curves. Well that description sounds like the NS and based on NS times I would have to disagree (8:12 993TT vs 7:56 996TT). The 996TT has a worse power to weight advantage over the 993TT. For the U.S. the 993TT had 400 hp and weighed 3,307 lbs or 8.3 lbs/hp while the 996TT has 415 hp and weighs 3,505 lbs or 8.5 lbs/hp. Although Porsche claims faster acceleration times for the 996TT over the 993TT.
I am interested to hear your opinion st-anger of the comment of build quality of the 993TT being superior to the 996 & 997 series. If I remember correctly there was a major shift in the manufacturing techniques from the 993 to the 996. This shift is what allowed Porsche to offer the 996TT at a lower cost to the 993TT price. Nice of Porsche to pass on part of the saving to it’s customers.
My understanding was that the 996 was superior in build quality as far as structural rigidity however there have been a lot of comments as to the cheaper materials used in the interior of the 996 and maybe that was what he was referring to.
Is that an article or an advertisement for the 996 GT3 RSC that you can just barley see on the side of the last page of the “Blown Away” article? Now that is a nice car  . Interestingly though, Schwalbe JG 44, the better handling track oriented RSC uses 19" wheels  along with the 997S.
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03-25-2005, 04:11 PM
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Scans of official brchures and photos + few blueprints
http://www.pelicanparts.com/literature/literature.htm
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03-27-2005, 04:34 PM
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03-27-2005, 04:51 PM
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...lol, of course we can´t compare build quality of a 993 vs a 996, the 996 is simply better although the interiour is not that good i have to admitt - but Porsche´s never been famous of a perfect interiour, the 993´s inside is just classic and i think that´s what the editor´s referring to....don´t know...
well, look inside a 993TT - what´s in it - and then look inside a 996, crowded with "unwanted" useless stuff
it´s only a advertisement for the RSC, don´t worry
it´s using the 19" wheels because on the 18" only 9x18 / 11x18 - 235 / 295 will fit and on the 19" 245 / 305 tires...
as u know the RSC has been a project car for the tuner GP and on smooth F1 style HHR simply need all the rubber u can get on the ground...
...but lakatu i can calm u down  i´m already working on your last set with the tires wheels
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Originally Posted by lakatu
Finally found a little time to read the GT article “Blown Away”.
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“You have to pity the engineers task of improving on this.”
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Well there is a small tear forming in the corner of my eye st-anger for the anguish that must have caused you  . Seriously I’m sure that is the case every time Porsche creates a 911 replacement.
I have to say that while I haven’t driven either I think that they exaggerated the similar performance of the 993TT to the 996TT. The writer indicated that he felt that the 993TT would hold it’s own with a similarly powered 996TT over undulating road surfaces with fast curves. Well that description sounds like the NS and based on NS times I would have to disagree (8:12 993TT vs 7:56 996TT). The 996TT has a worse power to weight advantage over the 993TT. For the U.S. the 993TT had 400 hp and weighed 3,307 lbs or 8.3 lbs/hp while the 996TT has 415 hp and weighs 3,505 lbs or 8.5 lbs/hp. Although Porsche claims faster acceleration times for the 996TT over the 993TT.
I am interested to hear your opinion st-anger of the comment of build quality of the 993TT being superior to the 996 & 997 series. If I remember correctly there was a major shift in the manufacturing techniques from the 993 to the 996. This shift is what allowed Porsche to offer the 996TT at a lower cost to the 993TT price. Nice of Porsche to pass on part of the saving to it’s customers.
My understanding was that the 996 was superior in build quality as far as structural rigidity however there have been a lot of comments as to the cheaper materials used in the interior of the 996 and maybe that was what he was referring to.
Is that an article or an advertisement for the 996 GT3 RSC that you can just barley see on the side of the last page of the “Blown Away” article? Now that is a nice car  . Interestingly though, Schwalbe JG 44, the better handling track oriented RSC uses 19" wheels  along with the 997S.
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