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RC45 · 06-10-2005, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Just_me

Originally Posted by RC45

Originally Posted by Just_me

you live in denial my friend.

Denial? WTF are you rambling about?

Just because I say something is ugly against" popular" opinion I am in denial?

Please - it's a fucking opinion - just like everyone else, so I will be express it how every I please.

I would normally try and reserve some polite chit-chat and friendly banter to promote congeniality and good will - but decided against it... :fist:

Bla bla bla dont you have any more to say than ugly. Of course you entiitled to express yourself but mention it in every BMW thread is just annoying and childish.
Well well, no point arguing anymore cause you will never change. Too bad...

At least when I wake up every morning I am refreshed, sobered up and ready for the day - while the new 5 series is still just butt ugly.

styla21 · 06-10-2005, 10:24 PM

Cmon man, are you serious? Blip if you don't like the styling then ok, but far out the generalisations you guys sling around is ridiculous.. So in order for me to drive a BMW i must be a wannabe youngster, or a fat bald middleaged racer wannabe? You have to shitting me. Please, take a quick survey of the top 10 car magazines - (in your opinion i don't care which ones they are), and let me know how you find their verdict on the M5. My observations are that it will show you it to be a close contender for performace car of the year; that it wins outstanding acclaim for innovation, development; words like "complete package", or "perfect", "amazing" "surreal" and other descriptives that seem to sum the car up.
Also, i've never known a car to be based of it's designers looks - so apart from some personal attacks on Bangel i fail to see any logic in you're bagging of the car. If you're not a fan of the styling - then fine, don't buy one. I am happy for people to not like this car - please just stop being so naive as to thing that you own opinion is reflective of every other persons out there. Regardless of your petitions, hate-clubs, whatever - this is the most highly built 5 series, and by the far the most produced M5... Guess it's going to be successful with or without your opinions.

dingo · 06-10-2005, 10:29 PM

grow up children, if you don't like the design of the new Beemers then I have a solution for you - don't look at pictures of them and never buy one!

Problem solved as far as I can see......

I personally like the new shape of the BMW's, especially the M5 and M6 but I also understand that other people don't and thats their right to think like that.

RC45 · 06-10-2005, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by styla21

Cmon man, are you serious? Blip if you don't like the styling then ok, but far out the generalisations you guys sling around is ridiculous.. So in order for me to drive a BMW i must be a wannabe youngster, or a fat bald middleaged racer wannabe? You have to shitting me. Please, take a quick survey of the top 10 car magazines - (in your opinion i don't care which ones they are), and let me know how you find their verdict on the M5. My observations are that it will show you it to be a close contender for performace car of the year; that it wins outstanding acclaim for innovation, development; words like "complete package", or "perfect", "amazing" "surreal" and other descriptives that seem to sum the car up.
Also, i've never known a car to be based of it's designers looks - so apart from some personal attacks on Bangel i fail to see any logic in you're bagging of the car. If you're not a fan of the styling - then fine, don't buy one. I am happy for people to not like this car - please just stop being so naive as to thing that you own opinion is reflective of every other persons out there. Regardless of your petitions, hate-clubs, whatever - this is the most highly built 5 series, and by the far the most produced M5... Guess it's going to be successful with or without your opinions.

So now car magazine opinions are gospel?

You do realize the lobbying the manufacturers do to get those awards right?

Money changes hands, advertizing dollars are bartered and votes are bought - just like any other awards.

Seems the M5 is just another mass produced piece of techno junk, like so many DVD and stero players..

If 5 series sales are up, that;s because someone elses sales are down..

The trend will be reversed in a couple years as Audi or MB take the top sedan sales numbers - then it wil switch again.

Still doesn;t make it an attractive car though...

styla21 · 06-10-2005, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by RC45

So now car magazine opinions are gospel?

You do realize the lobbying the manufacturers do to get those awards right?

Wow that was 100% predictable

.. Of course a magazine does not mean it is the authority,keep in mind an auto magazine is designed for a specific purpose: to write about the single genre of cars. Logically, the people who write the articles, compile the data, do the research etc are somewhat more qualified than you or and i.. To be honest, i'd take their opinion on a choice of car anyday over say "better homes and gardens".

Most would assume that a quick survey of 10 seperate magazines would allow for an unbiased outcome.

If you disagree with this RC that is fine, i would be the most stupid out of both of us to continue debating with somebody whose lightbulb is already needs changing. :idea:

RC45 · 06-10-2005, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by styla21

Originally Posted by RC45

So now car magazine opinions are gospel?

You do realize the lobbying the manufacturers do to get those awards right?

Wow that was 100% predictable

.. Of course a magazine does not mean it is the authority,keep in mind an auto magazine is designed for a specific purpose: to write about the single genre of cars. Logically, the people who write the articles, compile the data, do the research etc are somewhat more qualified than you or and i.. To be honest, i'd take their opinion on a choice of car anyday over say "better homes and gardens".

Most would assume that a quick survey of 10 seperate magazines would allow for an unbiased outcome.

If you disagree with this RC that is fine, i would be the most stupid out of both of us to continue debating with somebody whose lightbulb is already needs changing. :idea:

Of course it was predictble - :roll: -- it was SUPPOSED to be, that's why it was posted...

Christ, I am amazed at how short fused and void of humour many folks are by the end of the week.
Go get laid or something.

And BTW - you some how think moto-journalists are some special breed of specialist?

Well, they are not - they just happen to a have a job writing about cars.

They offer no expert or specialized input other than stringing together colourful words for buyers of the magazine to read.

Many journalists just fell into the job and build an auroa around themselves, muc like a talk show host or news reader, they are a type of celebrity and are nothing special.

When I can be bothered I will post you some links to articles about how a couple of key present day journalists happened int their positions - and it wasn't because of their engineering prowess - and thats from their own confessions..

Anyway - for those too stupid to figure out the stuborn position taken on how ugly the 5 series is - was exagerated for effect - and you all got your testicles twisted by it

So mission accomplished.

Blip · 06-11-2005, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by styla21

Please, take a quick survey of the top 10 car magazines - (in your opinion i don't care which ones they are), and let me know how you find their verdict on the M5. My observations are that it will show you it to be a close contender for performace car of the year; that it wins outstanding acclaim for innovation, development; words like "complete package", or "perfect", "amazing" "surreal" and other descriptives that seem to sum the car up.

The M5 is certainly a very good car (technically), i never said otherwise. But don't believe everything you read in magazines. They (like many other media forms) often exaggerate for monetary reasons.

It was always one of my favourite cars but know it's image has been... let's say changed. The reason for my criticism is that i like the car so much so I don't want it to change for the worse.

I guess its hard for you to understand why I dislike the styling. It really depends on a person's personality. You clearly are a fan of the hip and trendy

RC45 · 06-11-2005, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Blip

I guess its hard for you to understand why I dislike the styling. It really depends on a person's personality. You clearly are a fan of the hip and trendy

We have a winner..

The trendyness of the F360 is what turned me off to the car... the M5 is no different.

It's almost as if the American Idol viewers proclaimed the car "the latest in thing" - so now it is so...

hehe

styla21 · 06-11-2005, 10:16 AM

Those are some awesome responses, and i fully respect them - because they are stated as opinion! I enjoyed reading your response Blip :fadein:

06-11-2005, 10:37 AM

fucking lol.. heaven forbid that someone proclaim they dislike something that is popular and "trendy" or they will be linched by the sheeple

"you must be wrong because so many people bought this product" - DUH !

ViperASR · 06-11-2005, 12:46 PM

I agree, it is all opinions. I would take the M5 if I had a family, but the F430 if i was living alone or just had a hot-ass wife.

Just_me · 06-11-2005, 01:03 PM

Yes, you guys you're correct , I like design that dont look like something else.
Apparently BMW did the right thing. the sell lot of cars. There are always people with different opinions. Lucky for BMW, there are more people like me who like the design and buy the car. They sell cars and thats what matters, not what some members here think.

RC45 · 06-11-2005, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Just_me

Yes, you guys you're correct , I like design that dont look like something else.
Apparently BMW did the right thing. the sell lot of cars. There are always people with different opinions. Lucky for BMW, there are more people like me who like the design and buy the car. They sell cars and thats what matters, not what some members here think.

.....until the "trend" changes... and then y'all rush off and conform to the next "must have".... heheheh

Just_me · 06-11-2005, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by RC45

Originally Posted by Just_me

Yes, you guys you're correct , I like design that dont look like something else.
Apparently BMW did the right thing. the sell lot of cars. There are always people with different opinions. Lucky for BMW, there are more people like me who like the design and buy the car. They sell cars and thats what matters, not what some members here think.

.....until the "trend" changes... and then y'all rush off and conform to the next "must have".... heheheh

Jisses RC, Its amazing how many words you know ...

bmwdakias · 06-11-2005, 04:31 PM

The actual trend right now, almost in all car magazines is to criticize the new design era which was introduced by the infamous Mr Bangle. Therefore, i believe that people using the word ugly to describe a new BMW are the sheeps who blindly follow the opinion expressed by most car mags.