New Z06 pictures

[JiggaStyles09]

i personally really like the lines of the C6. when i first saw the pictures i was a little dissappointed, in that i wanted more radical of a design change but when i finally saw it in person i really liked the design. i could see the size of the car andi like that they made it more compact, i think it looks like the C5 went on a nice diet and went to the gym. the rear looks better proportioned to the rest of the car and so what if it borrows design cues from other cars, it still looks plenty like a corvette to me.

but to each his own

[RC45]

See that's the point - the new car isn't lighter or any better than the current car - it's the same car, badly redrawn and just with extra horsepower

And this goes for the C6 coupe and the Z06

[godspeed06]

there are many more upgrades on the new z06 aside from the hand built 7.0 liter 505 hp engine, and theyve all been listed in this forum. we all know that you love your current z06, but saying the c6 z06 isnt any better is pretty illogical, 99% of the time newer generations of cars are better than the previous ones. and this one hasnt even been tested yet so there is no way of knowing. sometimes i think you get a little too carried away .

[RC45]

Originally Posted by godspeed06 there are many more upgrades on the new z06 aside from the hand built 7.0 liter 505 hp engine, and theyve all been listed in this forum. we all know that you love your current z06, but saying the c6 z06 isnt any better is pretty illogical, 99% of the time newer generations of cars are better than the previous ones. and this one hasnt even been tested yet so there is no way of knowing. sometimes i think you get a little too carried away .

The upgrades are minor.

Apart from the aluminium frame and the few extra strengthening pieces to compensate for the loss of riidity - all the rest of the "improvements" are nothing much.

Sure they look good on paper "carbon fibre fenders", drilled & slotted brake rotors, 6 piston caliper brakes, in-dash DVD/NAV, 'bigger wheels" to appeal to the bling, a "hand built" engine... (BTW, last I checked every single other 427ci C5 Z06 also has a hand assembled engine ).

So - essentially you have a factory built car that has about 85-90% of the performance of a tuner built 427ci T1 tuned car.

The "factory" car will be no more reliable than the tuner car, and will probably prove to be slower and we know will cost way more

Besides which - I feel sorry for the first sucker (sucker because they will be paying a super-premium on top of the price already) who takes their car to a GM dealer for "repair"...

The real reason I am so interested in the performance numbers of the C6 Z06, is that I like many folks have been saying the tuned C5 Z06's have super car performance and will run and gun with Prosches and Ferraris best - but non-believers doubted us - but now we see that the performance is there.

The C5 Z)6 get's driven and enjoyed - the C6 Z06 is going to end up like most F-Cars, P-Cars, L-Cars and even many Vipers - the cars costs enough to justify hardly ever driving and enjoying it.

[godspeed06]

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by godspeed06 there are many more upgrades on the new z06 aside from the hand built 7.0 liter 505 hp engine, and theyve all been listed in this forum. we all know that you love your current z06, but saying the c6 z06 isnt any better is pretty illogical, 99% of the time newer generations of cars are better than the previous ones. and this one hasnt even been tested yet so there is no way of knowing. sometimes i think you get a little too carried away . The upgrades are minor. Apart from the aluminium frame and the few extra strengthening pieces to compensate for the loss of riidity - all the rest of the "improvements" are nothing much. Sure they look good on paper "carbon fibre fenders", drilled & slotted brake rotors, 6 piston caliper brakes, in-dash DVD/NAV, 'bigger wheels" to appeal to the bling, a "hand built" engine... (BTW, last I checked every single other 427ci C5 Z06 also has a hand assembled engine ). So - essentially you have a factory built car that has about 85-90% of the performance of a tuner built 427ci T1 tuned car. The "factory" car will be no more reliable than the tuner car, and will probably prove to be slower and we know will cost way more Besides which - I feel sorry for the first sucker (sucker because they will be paying a super-premium on top of the price already) who takes their car to a GM dealer for "repair"... The real reason I am so interested in the performance numbers of the C6 Z06, is that I like many folks have been saying the tuned C5 Z06's have super car performance and will run and gun with Prosches and Ferraris best - but non-believers doubted us - but now we see that the performance is there. The C5 Z)6 get's driven and enjoyed - the C6 Z06 is going to end up like most F-Cars, P-Cars, L-Cars and even many Vipers - the cars costs enough to justify hardly ever driving and enjoying it.

yea youre right, aluminum frame and dry sump... theyre completely minor :roll:

anyway, the reason no one cares whether or not your modded c5 is competitive with real supercars is the same reason you dont care whether or not a modded mustang or civic is competitive with your z06. it just doesnt matter. it might matter for you personally if you feel like you need to be justified beyond the way your car feels and performs by how the new z06 performs, but beyond that, no one really cares. your car is the old gen. i mean how many people gave a shit about modded c4s. the c5 z06 is a great car and always will be. but the c6 z06 will most likely be a greater car, as it should be. the last thing gm needs right now is to start acting like ferrari. they dont want their "f50" to be slower than their "f40" haha.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by godspeed06 yea youre right, aluminum frame and dry sump... theyre completely minor :roll:

Well - they are rather, if the performance is easily matched on the current car.

What good is the aluminium frame if the weight savings are lost in extra rigidity needed to be added? You know the car weighs the same as the current car - correct?

Originally Posted by godspeed06 anyway, the reason no one cares whether or not your modded c5 is competitive with real supercars is the same reason you dont care whether or not a modded mustang or civic is competitive with your z06. it just doesnt matter. it might matter for you personally if you feel like you need to be justified beyond the way your car feels and performs by how the new z06 performs, but beyond that, no one really cares.

Spoken like a true magazine racer Last time I looked only yuppies and posers seem to keep chasing the "latest & greatest" And the chance of a moded street ready Musang or Civic being any threat to any sports car is zero

The point is that the C6 and the C6 Z06 have been Eurothanized just for every "new comers" pleasure (thats all the "creature comforts for the pooftas" )

Originally Posted by godspeed06 your car is the old gen. i mean how many people gave a shit about modded c4s. the c5 z06 is a great car and always will be. but the c6 z06 will most likely be a greater car, as it should be. the last thing gm needs right now is to start acting like ferrari. they dont want their "f50" to be slower than their "f40" haha.

And the point is that you have to make some significant changes to a C4 (even ZR1) to let it run and gun with the C5 Z06 - however, the C6 and C6 Z06 is not really anything revolutionary (otherwise the C5 Z would not be so easily able to reach the same levels ) - and is rather just GM releasing factory versions of all the very same HotRod mods that the Corvette community has been applying to the C5 Z06 for the last 4 years.



That is the point.

Just because the new gen came out, doesn't slow the old one down - it simply goes on to confirm that the C6 (and C6 Z06) is rather a C5.5 - because the changes that they made are not far off the C5.

You would have no hope in hell of simply modding the last gen M5 to the current E60 M5 - that's how HUGE and significant the changes are.

However, those in the know realise that while the C6 and the C6 Z06 have some "neat factory" tweaks - they are nothing that hasn't already been done by the mod and racing community to improve the C5 and C5 Z06.

See - the latest Corvette has not obsoleted the current car (like the Germans and Italians like to do ) but again - is simply validation of what the community & tuners did to their cars.

The Corvette community is not like the yuppie driven F, P and L car brigade, where they all look down on the "older models" because they are "slower and cheaper". We rather embrace all versions - even if that means getting all pissy with the factory because could not improve on what the privateer and tuner community has been doing for the lat 4 years.

Yes - that is correct - the C6 Z06 is NOTHING radical on over almost every modded C5 Z06.

Doesn't show too well for GM - does it? When the communtiy and tuners have already "been there - done that"

[godspeed06]

how can you compare tuned c5 z06s with stock c6s? i know youve done this many times and in many arguments but its not fair. tuners have a hell of a lot less to worry about than gm does. gm has many more regulations and standards to meet. you can say that your modded c5 is as good as the c6 z06 until you are blue in the face, and you MIGHT be correct, we'll have to wait and see. all im saying is that it doesnt matter. i do agree with you that the new c6 isnt as revolutionary as the c5 was or as teh new m5 is, but not every car changes so radically with each new generation. look at the evo's or even the 911s.

see this discussion isnt about YOU and YOUR car. YOU are perfectly happy with your modded c5 and would be perfectly happy if it ends up being as good as teh c6 z06 and will be perfectly happy putting down the c6 because of that. but in the end, most consumers dont care if that is true. not everyone wants a modded car, most people dont. and as far as stock for stock goes, the c6 z06 will definitlvely beat the c5s...

[SFDMALEX]

Common RC, stock VS tuned..........shouldnt be compared in any shape or form. If you are then compare tuned Vs tuned, stock Vs. stock........compare a tuned vette to a koenig 360. not a tuned vette to an F50. Because you can tune just about anything to be as fast as.........well just about anything, if the money permits.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by godspeed06 how can you compare tuned c5 z06s with stock c6s?

There is no need to mod a C5 Z06 to take on a C6 Z51 - the stock C5 Z06 has it beat already.

Although you will be hard pressed to find a stock C6 Z51 among my driving friends, so it is already a moot point.

These cars are modded to moment they are driven home. The C6 Z51 is modded to bring it to the C5 Z06 standard....

*shrug*

Originally Posted by godspeed06 not everyone wants a modded car, most people dont. and as far as stock for stock goes,

Hhmm.. the circles I move in every WANTS a modded car - and most have modded their C5 Z)6 and their new C6 Z51.

Originally Posted by godspeed06 and as far as stock for stock goes, the c6 z06 will definitlvely beat the c5s...

No shit Sherlock - it has 100hp more and wider tyres - I hope you figured that out all by yourself...

Originally Posted by SFDMALEX Common RC, stock VS tuned..........shouldnt be compared in any shape or form. If you are then compare tuned Vs tuned, stock Vs. stock........compare a tuned vette to a koenig 360. not a tuned vette to an F50. Because you can tune just about anything to be as fast as.........well just about anything, if the money permits.

The stock vs tuned is actually a lot more valid than people care to admit - stock vs stock is a bench racer/magazine racer thing.

Car vs Car is what happens on the street and at DE events.

Run what you brung.

The truth is, you will struggle to find a bone stock car amongs my driving acquaintances. Hell even the girls who own C5 Z06's are putting 425+rwhp down (thats 500 crank HP for the uninformed.,.. )

Just the same way if I run across a Viper on the streets in Houston. there is way more chance that it is modded for more power than not - so I had better have something to show if I want to even think of tangling with him/her.

That's the reality. Many Ferraris in this town run at least a free flowing exhaust, if not ECM changes - so they are no longer stock. And I don't think I have seen a Murci or Gallardo that didn't have some exhaust work done.

The only people running stock are guys with leased cars - and they are more than likely only running their mistress to the opera and can't drive their cars anyway

[Toronto]

not going to read 5 pages, but I must say they really have a decent looking car 110% better then the c5, but sorry RC, no close to a 430, mayb it is 3/4 to a 360's dated style

[RC45]

Originally Posted by Toronto not going to read 5 pages, but I must say they really have a decent looking car 110% better then the c5, but sorry RC, no close to a 430, mayb it is 3/4 to a 360's dated style

I take back my vote - your banner sucks

But - anyway, everyone misses the only strong point of the C6 Z06 - and that is in homologation form for various racing series they did what Honda has done for ages with their bikes (the RC30 and RC45 in particular - to a lesser degree with the RC51) - and that is to engineer and then sell some out of place but robust components to allow for their inclusion in the car for stock class racing.

This has the advantage of putting the normal "addons" that class racing sometimes disallows, like wider wheels, bigger brakes, and extra cooling components - but the desided disadvantage that the budget privateer can no longer campaing the car/bike because the factory addons are much more expensive than the original stock parts.

I use the C5 Z06 brakes as an example - T1/Solo I (I think thats the class designation) you have to run stock brakes - which is not really a problem, because although the roptors only last one race session, maybe 2, they are very capable and dirt cheap - about $40 per rotor. Calipers are also cheap, and the 2 pads per wheel not a problem.

Now enter the C6 Z06 with cross/drilled vented, slotted, hyper bling-worthy rotors, and 20, count them 20 pads and pistons in total - the cost of brake consumables alone will most likely hit the budget racer hard.

The brakes are better than the C5 Z06, but do not eclipse them, and much like the Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes - don't really justify the cost for the occasional user. Which I guess is why many Porsche guys swap the PCCB's for the regualr ones to save throwing money down the crapper.

Of course the new car is quicker - but it by no means obsoletes the old car - and this may be a foreign notion to "newer is good older is bad" generation..

There is a reason for the HUGE (and non-HotRod fans have no idea how HUGE) after market for the LS1/LS6 powerplant - it is just that good.

Couple this with the already great platform of the C5 Z06 you can see that the C6 Z06 is not the be all and end all.

STrange how until this year NOBODY wanted to give the C5 Z06 the time of day - but now that the C6 Z06 is here, it suddenl;y is the ONLY platform worthy of recognition - when in reality it is the car that GM should have built 5 years ago, but didnt - so the enthusiast and racing community built if for them. They just copied what was already there

[godspeed06]

godspeed06 wrote: how can you compare tuned c5 z06s with stock c6s? There is no need to mod a C5 Z06 to take on a C6 Z51 - the stock C5 Z06 has it beat already. Although you will be hard pressed to find a stock C6 Z51 among my driving friends, so it is already a moot point. These cars are modded to moment they are driven home. The C6 Z51 is modded to bring it to the C5 Z06 standard.... *shrug*

yea i know, i was talking about the z06, i guess i forget to say it. we've been talking about z06s the whole time. and yes, ive known about the c5 z06 since its inception. and no i dont think the c6 is just head and shoulders above teh c5, but it is better and obviously so. there isnt really a whole lot of substance to this right now, except for you misinterpreting the degree to which i state things. and "run what you brung" isnt exactly like that. you know people will discuss mods and so on. it all leads back to what it was like stock. i know this is killing you, and dont give me that shit about the z06 just being a "modded" base vette either bc thats just silly, but i dont care that the "circles you run in" mod their cars. not everyone does and if you are comparing cars (which i guess this discussion is still about) you do it stock vs stock. there isnt a hell of a lot else to it.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by godspeed06 and "run what you brung" isnt exactly like that. you know people will discuss mods and so on. it all leads back to what it was like stock.

That's the definition of bench racing. I know my car isn't the quickest on the street or track - the fastest car belongs to the guy/girl with the deepest pockets - period

Originally Posted by godspeed06 i know this is killing you, and dont give me that shit about the z06 just being a "modded" base vette either bc thats just silly,

No it's not killing me - if it was I wouldn't have lept my "slow 385hp 2001 Z06" - I would have upgraded to the '02, '03 or '04 405hp car - I don't NEED the latest an greatest to thoroughly enjoy my car.

And - where have I ever said the Z06 is "just" a modded Coupe? By it's very nature it requires not easily duplicated changes - in the C5 Z06 it is the FRC body that lends extra rigidity, and in the C6 Z06 it is the fixed roof panel that provides this torsional rigidity lost with using the aluminium frame.

Originally Posted by godspeed06 but i dont care that the "circles you run in" mod their cars. not everyone does and if you are comparing cars (which i guess this discussion is still about) you do it stock vs stock. there isnt a hell of a lot else to it.

This "circles I run in" is the reality of LS1/LS6 and LS2(and probably LS7) communities all over the country.

In Houston, I have yet to see a stock GTO, or CTS-V for that matter - even if only ehaders, or intake or tuning - THAT is the reality.

Again - it is "run what you brung" - and the discussion of "stock vs stock" is only of significance when magazine and bench racing and playing card games.

In a stock for stock discussion my car would kick Coloroadosilvers C5 Coupe from Texas all the way back to Colorado - but what point is a "stock for stock" discussion? His car ust about put down more power at idle than my does at 6000rpm.

Again, on the street and track it is "car vs car" - no bullshit, no excuses -

[5vz-fe]

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by Toronto not going to read 5 pages, but I must say they really have a decent looking car 110% better then the c5, but sorry RC, no close to a 430, mayb it is 3/4 to a 360's dated style I take back my vote - your banner sucks

[godspeed06]

Originally Posted by godspeed06 i know this is killing you, and dont give me that shit about the z06 just being a "modded" base vette either bc thats just silly,

Originally Posted by RC45 No it's not killing me - if it was I wouldn't have lept my "slow 385hp 2001 Z06" - I would have upgraded to the '02, '03 or '04 405hp car - I don't NEED the latest an greatest to thoroughly enjoy my car. And - where have I ever said the Z06 is "just" a modded Coupe? By it's very nature it requires not easily duplicated changes - in the C5 Z06 it is the FRC body that lends extra rigidity, and in the C6 Z06 it is the fixed roof panel that provides this torsional rigidity lost with using the aluminium frame.

Originally Posted by RC45 505hp is not "extreme hp" for a 427ci small block - just witness all theC5R 427ci small blocks that have been installed into C5 Z06 for 4 years now. So - the C6 Z06 is really just a factory endorsed mod that happens to follow the same formula that private citizens have been doing - as I say - for 4 years now... 427ci small block crate motor installs. The C5R crate motor was as cose to an option as you could get... So - comparing a C5R equipped C5 Z06 or a hot cam header C5Z06 to the C6 Z06 is very valid.. And I am sure you assume I am bullshitting you but - 500 crank hp from the LS6 is as simple as a cam install, tune and headers - 550hp is only a set of heads away... really it is. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce that the factory C6 Z06 is ismply a - you guessed it, hotrod 427ci big cam, heads and cam car.