08-01-2004, 01:42 PM
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Indeed. I would say Enzo is ahead in that department...but I think its enough hijacking for today
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08-01-2004, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RC45
Originally Posted by T-Bird
or you can send it to Lingenfelter with the money you saved and rape the living shit out of GT3's
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Or like coloradosilver did, if you are mechanically able - do the work yourself and STILL have a car that rapes the GT3 everywhere... 
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BINGO!!!! Love YA RC!!
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08-01-2004, 04:02 PM
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lol, just watched the top gear lap and review on TV, and it just confirms that I would no way in hell buy a Corvette. Even if it did go faster than a GT3, it was a complete mess around the track and i'm pretty sure on a "proper" circuit, the GT3 would spank the corvette.
It looks so cheap, the interior looks so cheap and plastic, the rear bodywork pushes in with your finger, the rear suspension is extremely old, the gearbox is clunky, the clutch is heavy and it only just beats a regular base model 911 carrera in a drag race, it gets completely polverised by a nsx and TVR 350C.
To sum up - what a pile of shit, sorry but it is
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08-01-2004, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
Most tracks? We have like two official lap(not even) times of the two cars and everybody jumps to the conclusion that the CGT is a faster track car. What times do we have? Nurburgring which Im pretty sure the Enzo lapped faster. And Nordschliefe which the CGT was build around of. Bring the CGT to fiorano, we'll see how it goes there.
People are missing the point. The CGT is a great car, I'd choose it over 99% of Supercars. But it aint no Enzo slayer. All we have is a lap time or two. And everywere else the Enzo beats it by quite a bit.
Obviously jpatino03 is a Porsche fan boy. This quote confrims it "I'm not saying that Ferrari's are bad cars, against any other car, they would be unstoppable". Im a Ferrari fan boy my self but I try to look at things objectivly.
So in the last few years Porsche came out with great cars to match and beat Ferrari. The 996TT and the CGT. So what? That turns the history around? Prior to that the battles between the fastest Porsche got and the Fastest Ferrari got Ferrari won. There was nothing Porsche could offer that would be the F50, and nothing to beat the F40. The GT2 was blown away by both, and the 959 was close but not close enough. Now the 360CS beats the GT3. We still dont know how the RS would do against it.
jpatino03- were did you get the idea that the Enzo 'box is garbage?
Lastly why the hell would you compare the CGT to Ferraris GT or Sports cars?
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Porsche fan boy? Hardly. Look at my sig and guess.
As for the gearbox, its not a real sportscar unless it has 3 pedals.
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08-01-2004, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jpatino03
Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
Most tracks? We have like two official lap(not even) times of the two cars and everybody jumps to the conclusion that the CGT is a faster track car. What times do we have? Nurburgring which Im pretty sure the Enzo lapped faster. And Nordschliefe which the CGT was build around of. Bring the CGT to fiorano, we'll see how it goes there.
People are missing the point. The CGT is a great car, I'd choose it over 99% of Supercars. But it aint no Enzo slayer. All we have is a lap time or two. And everywere else the Enzo beats it by quite a bit.
Obviously jpatino03 is a Porsche fan boy. This quote confrims it "I'm not saying that Ferrari's are bad cars, against any other car, they would be unstoppable". Im a Ferrari fan boy my self but I try to look at things objectivly.
So in the last few years Porsche came out with great cars to match and beat Ferrari. The 996TT and the CGT. So what? That turns the history around? Prior to that the battles between the fastest Porsche got and the Fastest Ferrari got Ferrari won. There was nothing Porsche could offer that would be the F50, and nothing to beat the F40. The GT2 was blown away by both, and the 959 was close but not close enough. Now the 360CS beats the GT3. We still dont know how the RS would do against it.
jpatino03- were did you get the idea that the Enzo 'box is garbage?
Lastly why the hell would you compare the CGT to Ferraris GT or Sports cars?
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Porsche fan boy? Hardly. Look at my sig and guess.
As for the gearbox, its not a real sportscar unless it has 3 pedals.
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Well you made your self look like a fan boy mate  And sorry for being a bit harsh....you got my sensitive spot
The Enzo is not supposed to be a sports car. Its supposed to be a road legal F1 car
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08-01-2004, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DMbaseball1604
I was mainly talking about GM trucks and suburbans...we had 3 suburbans made before the strike and 2 made after and the difference was amazing...the 3 before were rock solid and the first car after the strike was so so...had small annoying problems and the second had major problems...the battery terminal would leak and burn a hole through the radiator...we had to have it fixed twice but it kept having the same problem..
One of the thing that really bothers me about corvettes is that if you look on the inside of a corvette you will find most all the parts that are used to build GM trucks and whatever..there is hardly any difference, which again is more of a preference issue I guess, may not bother some but it annoys the hell out of me...
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Specifically, which parts are you talking about?
What years were your suburbans? Not so sure this has anything to do with overall Corvette quality, which, like overall GM quality, has been on the rise the past few years.
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08-01-2004, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mindgam3
...although when the same people that tested them for high speed at Nardo put them through a handling test, the GT was over a second faster...
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Yeah, but that was a totally tight track. And very short. More like an autocross course than a regular racetrack. Given more typical sweeper-like turns, I'm sure the Enzo would have fared much better.
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08-01-2004, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by coloradosilver
Originally Posted by RC45
Originally Posted by T-Bird
or you can send it to Lingenfelter with the money you saved and rape the living shit out of GT3's
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Or like coloradosilver did, if you are mechanically able - do the work yourself and STILL have a car that rapes the GT3 everywhere... 
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BINGO!!!! Love YA RC!!
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That is hillarious. You can send the GT3 to gambella and reverse the above statement. I really see no point in an argument when tunning is brought into the eqation.
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08-01-2004, 07:18 PM
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08-01-2004, 07:24 PM
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You gotta be kidding me right?...the rear suspension uses leaf-springs??? :shock:
1:26.8......hmmm.....time lost in the first corner with the oversteer 0.5s
time lost in the chicago with lock up 0.2 secs
Wonder why they don't let the stig do a better lap...I guess they don't want the corvette to beat more cars LOL!
But I do agree with the plasticky comment.
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08-01-2004, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
Originally Posted by coloradosilver
Originally Posted by RC45
Originally Posted by T-Bird
or you can send it to Lingenfelter with the money you saved and rape the living shit out of GT3's
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Or like coloradosilver did, if you are mechanically able - do the work yourself and STILL have a car that rapes the GT3 everywhere... 
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BINGO!!!! Love YA RC!!
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That is hillarious. You can send the GT3 to gambella and reverse the above statement. I really see no point in an argument when tunning is brought into the eqation.
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that was refering to the money you save on the C6 versus the GT3
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08-01-2004, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 5vz-fe
You gotta be kidding me right?...the rear suspension uses leaf-springs??? :shock:
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Well - it beat the GT3 around the Nurbergring...
Originally Posted by 5vz-fe
But I do agree with the plasticky comment.
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The car IS made of plastic you stupid bunch of mutha fuckers.
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08-01-2004, 08:36 PM
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Oh - and another thing... everyone is so quick to hate on the Corvette and trash it it every department - including performance - why is that?
Perhaps because the car is so good at what it does - be the best cost effective sportscar in the world - period.
It is affordable, fast, wins world champoinships, easily and cheaply modded, cheap to maintain - and did I mention fast?
0-60 4s
12s 1/4 mile @ 116mph+
180mph top speed
60-0 in 107 feet
25mpg
More trunk space than most medium sedans.
And easily comfortable and user friendly enough to use as a daily driver.
All this was $50,000 new MSRP... current used prices from $30,000 to $40,000.
So, sure - for the idle and working rich the Italian and German option are cheap and "the obvious choice".
But there are probably 10 of those types of people on this website.
Now what about the rest?
I doubt that there would be any other choice for US based drivers - and VERY little for the rest of the world... if any.
Period!!
Oh - and just so all you "but if you mod a Ferrari/Porsche the Z06 is slow" crowd - I am telling you there are more street driven 400+rwhp Z06's than 911's sold every year..
So the chances of your exotic driving associte meeting up with a stock Z06 on the street or track is actually rather slim...
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08-01-2004, 08:59 PM
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I posted this in the other topic, but I think it is appropriate here as well.
I never like to get into these back and forths because each individual will have their never changing sometimes biased opinions. I do want to comment on all those who dislike the C6. Here we have a fifty thousand dollar car sitting pretty with cars that cost many, many thousands more. Even if you hate the Corvette you have to repsect what it can do along side much more expensive and in most cases, yes, much better built cars.
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08-01-2004, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 5vz-fe
You gotta be kidding me right?...the rear suspension uses leaf-springs??? :shock:
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yes it does is there something wrong with that?
why change something that works?
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