Next Generation BMW M3

[Ghostbat]

Originally Posted by caneswell I know which one i'd prefer: http://www.rs4-video.com/Video/m3_vs_rs4.mpg Understeer anyone?

I'm with you all the way..

Interesting timelist. Altough I'm a "Mercman" myself I think it's kinda strange that the C320 Coupe is faster around the track than the M5. I know the Merc is smaller an nimbler but still...

[caneswell]

Yeah that is a very strange list. I fail to see how the M5 could be there. Its quite a bit heavier than the c320 but its over 2 secs faster to 60! And i've never seen that merc described as much of a drivers car. Must have been a very very tight track?

[coombsie66]

Originally Posted by T5 Originally Posted by coombsie66 Originally Posted by T5 I don´t think possible to have a 8000rev until redline V8 at this time.If that´s the objective I recomend a V10 engine. WTF are you talking about? And i doubt the engine would ever sound like a 360 or 430 engine, as bmw dont go for flat plain cranks. BMW V8 Engines. Finish reading,before comment!

The E39 M5 V8 is one of the most free-revving V8's ive ever heard, and slams into its redline as the power just keeps increasing.
The Norwack tuned S62 i believe revs to more than 8k.

And vibration wise i seem to remember the V10 actually being worse for trying to rev high than a balanced V8.

Plus they could just do the equivalent of cutting two cylinders off of the new V10.

And why would BMW ever put the same engine in a 3 series as in the 5 and 6?

[c_theodoros]

Congrats to the Renault guys, they did a fantastic job throughout the weekend. For me the big surprise was the RedBull team and D.C. what a performance ! but lets not judge until the next race, where we will see the "one engine per 2 weekends" rule come into effect; we don't how the teams had tuned their engines...

anywayzzz, BMW performance was O.K. despite the fact that they could have done better!!! I want opinions on the Nick Hiedfield's incident with M.S. ?? I believe that M.S. did not leave enough space to Nick to avoid hitting him.

and finally...

[coombsie66]

^^ Dude? Wrong thread?

[blah]

Originally Posted by Schwalbe JG 44 Originally Posted by Sir_GT If the RS4 was really that great, then motoring publications would have championed it long ago, but they haven't, simply because the M3 is a superior car. In fact, EVO magazine summed it up quite nicely in one of the older reviews: Audi RS4: + Superb engine, sweet 'box, quality - BMW makes the M3 These journalist remarks are very subjective, to be more objective he must be based on facts: [Motorvision Position Fahrzeug Zeit] Driver: Tim Schrick 8) 1 Mitsubishi Evo VII -18,92 2 RED-Motorsport-Elise -19,23 3 Wiesmann MF 3 SMG -19,28 4 Mitsubishi Evo VI -19,35 5 Audi RS4 -19,58 6 Porsche 911 GT 3 -19,61 7 Audi TT quattro 225 PS -19,65 8 Subaru Impreza WRX STi -19,66 9 Lotus Elise 111S -19,69 10 Porsche 911 Carrera -19,72 11 BMW M3 -19,79 12 Audi S4 V8 -19,86 13 BMW Z3 3,0 -19,92 14 Opel Speedster -20,07 15 VW Golf R 32 -20,11 16 Seat Leon Cupra R -20,14 17 Audi S3 2002 / BMW M 3 -20,16 18 Citroen Saxo Cup -20,18 19 Audi S3 -20,24 20 Jaguar S-Type R -20,25 21 Honda Civic Type-R -20,26 22 Mercedes C320 Sportcoupé -20,31 23 MG TF 160 -20,33 24 BMW M5 -20,34 25 Ford Focus ST 170 -20,35 I don't understand your sudden idea to compared B5 RS4 with E46 M3. It's very not the same category. Your comparison must be done between B6 S4 vs E46 M3... If not, you can read the comments in this picture.

From that list the RS4 is faster than a GT3, does that make it better??? Hell no.

[c_theodoros]

^^ Dude? Wrong thread?

... and I was wondering where the F**K my post is !!! 8)

sorry guys, may the moderator erase the specific post from this discussion ?

thanks 0X

[thekillingroad]

Dont forget to look at the times of MV.. Just about 19sec.. This may whistle you that thats a pretty slow track.. BTW you can alsa watch the videos.
Let the TC AWD RS4 be faster than the RWD N/A M3.

BTW I agree to blah, and wanna ad sth.. if thats a real objective thing(?). You or they forgot. the CSL second on the list.

And if you continue looking carefully.. CTR is fast er than the M5.. Is TypeR a faster car. hell no..

[T5]

Originally Posted by coombsie66 And why would BMW ever put the same engine in a 3 series as in the 5 and 6?

Cost reduction.
I agree with your statement about a well balanced V8.
But a BMW is "all days" car,not a Ferrari so it has to be reliable so it´s natural it won´t sound like a Ferrari,but i believe with a technological improvement there can be some improvement to the revs too.
The RS4 is a car a little bit diferent because it´s a family saloon and not a coupe...

[ferrarif1fan89]

Originally Posted by T5 Originally Posted by coombsie66 And why would BMW ever put the same engine in a 3 series as in the 5 and 6? Cost reduction. I agree with your statement about a well balanced V8. But a BMW is "all days" car,not a Ferrari so it has to be reliable so it´s natural it won´t sound like a Ferrari,but i believe with a technological improvement there can be some improvement to the revs too. The RS4 is a car a little bit diferent because it´s a family saloon and not a coupe...

dude, that v10 probably would not fit in that car, plus it would weigh too much, plus it is stupid to go from a i6 to a v10 in a car that small

[T5]

Originally Posted by ferrarif1fan89 Originally Posted by T5 Originally Posted by coombsie66 And why would BMW ever put the same engine in a 3 series as in the 5 and 6? Cost reduction. I agree with your statement about a well balanced V8. But a BMW is "all days" car,not a Ferrari so it has to be reliable so it´s natural it won´t sound like a Ferrari,but i believe with a technological improvement there can be some improvement to the revs too. The RS4 is a car a little bit diferent because it´s a family saloon and not a coupe... dude, that v10 probably would not fit in that car, plus it would weigh too much, plus it is stupid to go from a i6 to a v10 in a car that small

Please remember a car like C55 AMG... :roll:

[styla21]

I didn't know of any AMG V10?

[T5]

There isn´t one!
It is an example of a car where the engine doesn´t fit without some modifications

[styla21]

I'm actually not to sure what you are saying T5. It seems sort of contradictory.. I think you are saying benz did well to fit the V8 in the C class hood, right? Also of note, the new E60 M5 engine (the V10), weighs the same as the older model E39 M5's V8. So therefore, it may be possible that if the M3 was to use a V8 there may not be a huge, if at all, increase in weight. BTW, interesting choice of Volvo for your avartar. It's not the typical enthusiasts car - but i think they've done some cool stuff. Nice taste

[T5]

Originally Posted by styla21 I'm actually not to sure what you are saying T5. It seems sort of contradictory.. I think you are saying benz did well to fit the V8 in the C class hood, right? Also of note, the new E60 M5 engine (the V10), weighs the same as the older model E39 M5's V8. So therefore, it may be possible that if the M3 was to use a V8 there may not be a huge, if at all, increase in weight. BTW, interesting choice of Volvo for your avartar. It's not the typical enthusiasts car - but i think they've done some cool stuff. Nice taste

Yes,that is exacly what I was trying to say.