Next Generation BMW M3

[Sir_GT]

Originally Posted by everso these look like "hype" pictures put up to try and take attention away from the big daddy: THE RS4.

Lol. You wish mate.

A car's retained value speaks volumes for its desirability and credibility. The M3 coupe retains 63% of its value, and the cabrio retains 69%, whilst the RS4 only retains 49%.

...and that's official.

[Schwalbe]

Originally Posted by everso Originally Posted by Sir_GT Originally Posted by everso these look like "hype" pictures put up to try and take attention away from the big daddy: THE RS4. Lol. You wish mate. A car's retained value speaks volumes for its desirability and credibility. The M3 coupe retains 63% of its value, and the cabrio retains 69%, whilst the RS4 only retains 49%. ...and that's official. that's because all the losers who can't afford an M3 are waiting for a used one....which makes the resale price more. It doesn't say anything about the car...it just means that more losers want one! LOL as for an RS4, less losers want one...so the demand for a 2nd hand one isn't that great. that's my perspective on this issue!

LOL ! but so true.

I would add this: The S4/RS4 is by far the car the most required and most desired by the robbers in Europe. This facts explains a lot about the exclusiveness of the RS4.

[neilo63]

///M POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

High reving V8 anyday imagine the squeel 8)

[blah]

Originally Posted by everso Originally Posted by Sir_GT Originally Posted by everso these look like "hype" pictures put up to try and take attention away from the big daddy: THE RS4. Lol. You wish mate. A car's retained value speaks volumes for its desirability and credibility. The M3 coupe retains 63% of its value, and the cabrio retains 69%, whilst the RS4 only retains 49%. ...and that's official. that's because all the losers who can't afford an M3 are waiting for a used one....which makes the resale price more. It doesn't say anything about the car...it just means that more losers want one! LOL as for an RS4, less losers want one...so the demand for a 2nd hand one isn't that great. that's my perspective on this issue!

or maybe its the fact that the RS4 will only sell well in cities like san francisco, and the village in New York City. :roll:

[blah]

Also about this high revving issue. Dont NASCAR engines revv to like 9500?

[ZfrkS62]

Originally Posted by blah Also about this high revving issue. Dont NASCAR engines revv to like 9500?

Yeah, and they're massive displacement engines too which means they don't hit their powerbands until like 7,000. Once they hit power they stay there. It takes too long to wind the engines back up and screws them over on their fuel.

[5vz-fe]

The revability of an engine mainly defined by the internal moving components, such as the weight of the pistons, the weight of the valvetrain, the spring rate on the valve springs....etc. All this bring us to high school phyics, interia and friction.
On top, bore and stroke also have an affect of it.

*EDIT* I agree that M3 is a better car in all, but there are way too many of them on the street.

[Sir_GT]

Originally Posted by everso Originally Posted by Sir_GT Originally Posted by everso these look like "hype" pictures put up to try and take attention away from the big daddy: THE RS4. Lol. You wish mate. A car's retained value speaks volumes for its desirability and credibility. The M3 coupe retains 63% of its value, and the cabrio retains 69%, whilst the RS4 only retains 49%. ...and that's official. that's because all the losers who can't afford an M3 are waiting for a used one....which makes the resale price more. It doesn't say anything about the car...it just means that more losers want one! LOL as for an RS4, less losers want one...so the demand for a 2nd hand one isn't that great. that's my perspective on this issue!

Even losers know which one's the better car... Why get an RS4? It isn't half as good looking, it doesn't have the M3's street cred, the badge isn't sexy enough for women, it's overpriced, resale value sucks, and it doesn't perform as well either.

If the RS4 was really that great, then motoring publications would have championed it long ago, but they haven't, simply because the M3 is a superior car.

In fact, EVO magazine summed it up quite nicely in one of the older reviews:

Audi RS4:

+ Superb engine, sweet 'box, quality
- BMW makes the M3

[blah]

Where is you All Wheel Drive now Denver?

Some one on here has to watch Aqua Teen Hunger force too right?

[23790554]

just waiting for the E46 to drop some $$$$

[ARMAN]

Front is looking great only back lights are bit ugly IMO

[Schwalbe]

Originally Posted by Sir_GT If the RS4 was really that great, then motoring publications would have championed it long ago, but they haven't, simply because the M3 is a superior car. In fact, EVO magazine summed it up quite nicely in one of the older reviews: Audi RS4: + Superb engine, sweet 'box, quality - BMW makes the M3

These journalist remarks are very subjective, to be more objective he must be based on facts:

[Motorvision Position Fahrzeug Zeit] Driver: Tim Schrick 8)

1 Mitsubishi Evo VII -18,92
2 RED-Motorsport-Elise -19,23
3 Wiesmann MF 3 SMG -19,28
4 Mitsubishi Evo VI -19,35
5 Audi RS4 -19,58
6 Porsche 911 GT 3 -19,61
7 Audi TT quattro 225 PS -19,65
8 Subaru Impreza WRX STi -19,66
9 Lotus Elise 111S -19,69
10 Porsche 911 Carrera -19,72
11 BMW M3 -19,79
12 Audi S4 V8 -19,86
13 BMW Z3 3,0 -19,92
14 Opel Speedster -20,07
15 VW Golf R 32 -20,11
16 Seat Leon Cupra R -20,14
17 Audi S3 2002 / BMW M 3 -20,16
18 Citroen Saxo Cup -20,18
19 Audi S3 -20,24
20 Jaguar S-Type R -20,25
21 Honda Civic Type-R -20,26
22 Mercedes C320 Sportcoupé -20,31
23 MG TF 160 -20,33
24 BMW M5 -20,34
25 Ford Focus ST 170 -20,35

I don't understand your sudden idea to compared B5 RS4 with E46 M3. It's very not the same category. Your comparison must be done between B6 S4 vs E46 M3...

If not, you can read the comments in this picture.

[caneswell]

The laptimes don't tell you how much more fun the M3 driver is having though. Whereas a good journalist does.

It's like the car magazines that define "handling" by skid pan g numbers! Which tell you nothing about what the car is like to drive.

The enjoyment of driving doesn't come from achieveing a laptime 2tenths of a second faster than someone else!

[Sir_GT]

Originally Posted by Schwalbe JG 44 Originally Posted by Sir_GT If the RS4 was really that great, then motoring publications would have championed it long ago, but they haven't, simply because the M3 is a superior car. In fact, EVO magazine summed it up quite nicely in one of the older reviews: Audi RS4: + Superb engine, sweet 'box, quality - BMW makes the M3 I don't understand your sudden idea to compared B5 RS4 with E46 M3. It's very not the same category. Your comparison must be done between B6 S4 vs E46 M3...

It wasn't me who started the B5 RS4 v E46 M3 comparison mate. I do agree that it should be S4 v M3... where, of course, the M3 beats the S4...

...but if that's the case, that means that the RS4 has no direct competitor... which is either really good or really boring depending on your point of view.

[caneswell]

I know which one i'd prefer: http://www.rs4-video.com/Video/m3_vs_rs4.mpg

Understeer anyone?