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BADMIHAI · 12-13-2006, 03:15 PM

Nobody has to. It's a forum. It's open to anyone dumping their opinion.

ARMAN · 12-13-2006, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by BADMIHAI

Also, if you fuck up and lose your job, you're fucked there. Go ahead!

how is it in Canada if you lose your job?

Stoopie · 12-13-2006, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by ARMAN

Originally Posted by BADMIHAI

Also, if you fuck up and lose your job, you're fucked there. Go ahead!

how is it in Canada if you lose your job?

They bomb the Baldwins.

BADMIHAI · 12-13-2006, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by ARMAN

Originally Posted by BADMIHAI

Also, if you fuck up and lose your job, you're fucked there. Go ahead!

how is it in Canada if you lose your job?

You get unemployment, which is decent. Then you go on welfare, wich is also decent. They even provide you with government-subsidised housing, which in most cases is a pretty nice townhouse. You get plenty of clothes, food, etc. You can even afford to run a car. You know, it keeps you from living like a dog so you don't go around mugging people. Furthermore, you still get the free healthcare so if you're on welfare you're not fucked if you break a leg.

RC45 · 12-13-2006, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by BADMIHAI

Originally Posted by ARMAN

Originally Posted by BADMIHAI

Also, if you fuck up and lose your job, you're fucked there. Go ahead!

how is it in Canada if you lose your job?

You get unemployment, which is decent. Then you go on welfare, wich is also decent. They even provide you with government-subsidised housing, which in most cases is a pretty nice townhouse. You get plenty of clothes, food, etc. You can even afford to run a car. You know, it keeps you from living like a dog so you don't go around mugging people. Furthermore, you still get the free healthcare so if you're on welfare you're not fucked if you break a leg.

So what exactly is the motivation to et off your arse and go get a job then?

Oh - btw, how much income tax do you pay when you eventually do get around to finding a job?

BADMIHAI · 12-13-2006, 03:41 PM

Tax is around 40%. The motivation to get off your arse and get a job is to get a a plasma TV obviously. :roll:

RC45 · 12-13-2006, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by BADMIHAI

Tax is around 40%. The motivation to get off your arse and get a job is to get a a plasma TV obviously. :roll:

So when you eventually get around to getting a job - you have to then give 40% of what YOU make to the government - just so some othe rlazy arsehole can get a free ride.

Explain to me again how that is motivation?

Oh - and don't you also pay road tax, sales tax, property tax etc?

So it would seem you give more than half of what you make back to the government.

And who pays this 40%? People who make minimum wages or only those pulling more than $150,000 a year?

BADMIHAI · 12-13-2006, 03:53 PM

Tax also depends on income bracket, yes. You also pay property and sales tax. I know of no road tax.

ARMAN · 12-13-2006, 04:03 PM

I am sorry MIHAI but this is worse than socialism, "encourage those who dont do a shit" :roll: If you have no food - go to work for it making valuable exchangable production, have nowerere to live - go to work for it making valuable exchangable production.
So now it is basically if you go to work and work your ass off the goverment will rip YOU off by taxes to pay a house and food for some fat dumb sonofabitch who is enjoying the fruits of beeing unemployed... and you would agee with that??? :shock:

BADMIHAI · 12-13-2006, 04:07 PM

It's better than me paying less tax and having that lazy motherfucker who now can't eat stab me for my wallet, yes. Plus, just because I pay a lot of tax doesn't mean I can't still enjoy the fruits of my work.

ARMAN · 12-13-2006, 04:12 PM

I would understand goverment to take my money to pay someone who have lost his health due to some heavy accident and is totally disabled or someone who is diabled from the birth or seniors who worked all theyr life and from they taxes was supported people who couldnt really work for a good reason.
BUT even if someone is retarded or had some injury and IS capable to work and do all to get a "free money"(read money from my and your pocket) from goverment fuck no he get my support! If he can move his arms and can do some kind of work he should work! No lunch for free.
Thats one of the main reasons why socialism have NO future, it simply cannot work forever like this, the ones who get ripped for working theyr asses off will rise sooner or later.

RC45 · 12-13-2006, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by BADMIHAI

It's better than me paying less tax and having that lazy motherfucker who now can't eat stab me for my wallet, yes. Plus, just because I pay a lot of tax doesn't mean I can't still enjoy the fruits of my work.

So - according to you, Canada has no poverty or crime?

ARMAN · 12-13-2006, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by BADMIHAI

It's better than me paying less tax and having that lazy motherfucker who now can't eat stab me for my wallet, yes. Plus, just because I pay a lot of tax doesn't mean I can't still enjoy the fruits of my work.

Imagine you have a business - a small company. You have lets say 10 people who are good at what they do but one of them do shit, is lazy, comes late, have production that have no value cause he's work is done badly. The answer - will you keep him in your company or you will kick his ass out and dont give a shit about him paying his mortgage and bills and stuff? If you leave him in - you destroy your company cause the other 10 wokers will not like that forsure nether will you. Goverment is the same but in a bigger scale.

Dont know how much you get involved in the working process yet MIHAI, people will not work on the max if they got simply ripped off of the money they have made with they own hard work, you just cannot be motivated if you know you are ripped thats where "ahh I give a shit why would I do more?" attitude is born. And thats no way a attitude that will make a company or country financially healthy.

TopGearNL · 12-13-2006, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by RC45

Originally Posted by BADMIHAI

Tax is around 40%. The motivation to get off your arse and get a job is to get a a plasma TV obviously. :roll:

So when you eventually get around to getting a job - you have to then give 40% of what YOU make to the government - just so some othe rlazy arsehole can get a free ride.

Explain to me again how that is motivation?

Oh - and don't you also pay road tax, sales tax, property tax etc?

So it would seem you give more than half of what you make back to the government.

And who pays this 40%? People who make minimum wages or only those pulling more than $150,000 a year?

Its 60% in Holland guys :roll:

BADMIHAI · 12-13-2006, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by ARMAN

Originally Posted by BADMIHAI

It's better than me paying less tax and having that lazy motherfucker who now can't eat stab me for my wallet, yes. Plus, just because I pay a lot of tax doesn't mean I can't still enjoy the fruits of my work.

Imagine you have a business - a small company. You have lets say 10 people who are good at what they do but one of them do shit, is lazy, comes late, have production that have no value cause he's work is done badly. The answer - will you keep him in your company or you will kick his ass out and dont give a shit about him paying his mortgage and bills and stuff? If you leave him in - you destroy your company cause the other 10 wokers will not like that forsure nether will you. Goverment is the same but in a bigger scale.

Dont know how much you get involved in the working process yet MIHAI, people will not work on the max if they got simply ripped off of the money they have made with they own hard work, you just cannot be motivated if you know you are ripped thats where "ahh I give a shit why would I do more?" attitude is born. And thats no way a attitude that will make a company or country financially healthy.

Last time I checked, it was slightly healthier than Czech Republic. I don't agree with communism, but I see the benefits of having some socialism. In the end, let the statistics talk. Canada is ranked higher than the U.S. on the human development index. Norway is ranked #1 and they're so socialist they should replace that cross on their flag with a red star.