Your 1/4 mile times

[gottacatchup]

Originally Posted by DUNKiNUTS Originally Posted by ZfrkS62 the cobra won't out handle an M5. i don't care what you do to it. where the suspension gives out, traction control takes over. and unless your cobra handles 1.2g on the skidpad, you will NOT be owning anything. ummm there is a well know car called the Cobra R. The stock Cobra R get 1g on the skidpad, and has near 400h.p. so you still want to argue

the cobra R is slower around a track then an Elise, doesnt matter how much power you get out of it our even if you change the entire rear end, it wont out handle and M5

[ZfrkS62]

hmm...wonder who's gettin owned now...

[coloradosilver]

12.52 sec @ 118 mph (stock tires = no traction in 1st) in my corvette

Oh, thats at 6020 ft. Altitude.

[skituner]

Originally Posted by greg.little The triumph of engineering over physics does nothing to tap my juices.

i think that you are only person i the world that thinks that

btw im an american and generaly i dont like american cars. i just dont understand my fellow contry men. for instance NASCAR is the most popular sport; thats just sad.
i wish i could move to europe

[ZfrkS62]

Originally Posted by skituner Originally Posted by greg.little The triumph of engineering over physics does nothing to tap my juices. i think that you are only person i the world that thinks that btw im an american and generaly i dont like american cars. i just dont understand my fellow contry men. for instance NASCAR is the most popular sport; thats just sad. i wish i could move to europe

any other americans want to go in on a group buy for airline tickets?! maybe an apartment complex too....

[initiala4]

Originally Posted by skituner Originally Posted by greg.little The triumph of engineering over physics does nothing to tap my juices. i think that you are only person i the world that thinks that btw im an american and generaly i dont like american cars. i just dont understand my fellow contry men. for instance NASCAR is the most popular sport; thats just sad. i wish i could move to europe

I hear you about nascar...i also think its a boring sport. Its like seeing cars going in circles and circles....it could be challenging going at speeds like that, but wouldnt you feel like...damn it i gotta keep turnim left and left and left again.

[ZfrkS62]

you would think they'd be dizzy after 3 laps

IRL isn't much better. they go even faster around some of the same tracks.

[DUNKiNUTS]

Originally Posted by ZfrkS62 hmm...wonder who's gettin owned now...

Not really, power to weight is important. But what track is it faster, a tigh one or a long open one. Please but the cost difference and my Ranger would be euros around a track. Or a Z06 even though i don't like them. But its all in the track. So its not a win its a draw.

One thing you forgot with you quote......a picture

[RC45]

Originally Posted by gottacatchup Originally Posted by DUNKiNUTS Originally Posted by ZfrkS62 the cobra won't out handle an M5. i don't care what you do to it. where the suspension gives out, traction control takes over. and unless your cobra handles 1.2g on the skidpad, you will NOT be owning anything. ummm there is a well know car called the Cobra R. The stock Cobra R get 1g on the skidpad, and has near 400h.p. so you still want to argue the cobra R is slower around a track then an Elise, doesnt matter how much power you get out of it our even if you change the entire rear end, it wont out handle and M5

Guys - if you are going to argue please get your facts straight.

The 2000 Cobra-R was basically a normally aspirated TransAm series car for the streets... including a very expensive IR-suspension.

It is also a very serious car - and being track-tuned will outhandle many many cars of it's day and newer.

In short the 2000 Cobra-R can run and gun with the Z06 (remember this ran a 7:56 at Nuburgring) and the Viper GTS-ACR, another race-track tuned car.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by brembo What RC try to say all the time when fighting for his precious vette is it is cheap for what he gets, and by that he mean performance.... engine and handling, the NS times the vette got proves its a fast car.....no doubt. What he fail to realize in the US vs Euro car discussion is its only in the US the vette is cheap, here its a expensive car and the prize doesnt justify what you get....... If I where to pay the amount a brand new vette cost, I would buy something different and get quallity along with the fast ride.

I realize EXACTLY what the car costs in Europe... and don't give a crap - because I am here, not there.

In the meantime I get t enjoy a car that runs and guns with the uber-expensive shit - but don't spend uber-money.

But as proven by the many wealthy Europeans who import the Z06 - they know what they are getting... an alternative to Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche performance - and enjoy it as such.

Afterall, we are performance enthusiasts, not fashion designers..

[ZfrkS62]

RC you seem to be slipping in your response times

and i didn't say the cobra r was crap, i just said that it wouldn't be owning any european cars.

Not really, power to weight is important. But what track is it faster, a tigh one or a long open one. Please but the cost difference and my Ranger would be euros around a track. Or a Z06 even though i don't like them. But its all in the track. So its not a win its a draw.

WTF?! are you changing the subject you little clansman? I thought you were talking about the Cobra against any European car. where the hell did the Z-06 get pulled into this? And i thought it's been well established that any track times mentioned for comparison were going to be set on the NS!
But if you want to get universal, the M5 will still mop up a track like Infineion (aka Sears Point) and then go out to Watkins Glen and DESTROY the Cobra's laptimes. Just for shits and giggles, lets throw in Laguna Seca, Portland International, and Road Atlanta was well.
Then we can go overseas and attack Monza, Silverstone, Hungoraring and oh, i dunno, maybe SpaFrancorchamps as well.
The only american car i would worry about hanging with the BMW is the Corvette. C5-R, Z-06 or even the C6. IMO, the 'Vette is the only car that has proven itself to be a threat in the GTS category.

And power to weight gets factored in when you are talking about cars that are evenly matched in the numbers. NOT when there is a 100HP difference.

and if you want to talk about balance...well i think it goes with out saying that the M5 is balanced MUCH more evenly than the Cobra. Tuning on the NS is much more effective than any test course/proving ground Ford uses over here.

[greg.little]

Oh god, what beast have I unleashed?!

Anyone know the strip time for a stock Volvo 940 2.0 Turbo? (Wifes car)

[T-Bird]

what's the weight and hp?
I can tell you then...

[ZfrkS62]

Oh god, what beast have I unleashed?!

don't worry greg, debates like this take place all over JW. It's one of the things that makes it interesting.

[Pokiou]

can some please tell me your 1/4 mile times.. i dont care if u like them or not .. if u havnt got a 1/4 mile time .. take your arguments else where ... im intrested in what times people acheive around the world .... jesus jabba tell them something .. :/