Which car? 2001 Toyota Camry, 2002 Audi A4, 2000 Audi A6

[yellow_rice]

i say u get ur mom a front wheel drive car... with a lighter steering than a legacy.

[LotusGT1]

YEah, some drving lessons would be the best investment...

[AlienDB7]

Since you're going for the quattro version of the A4/A6, you probably should think again. Although the Audi tends to understeer but it's still possible for her to get lift off oversteer under slippy condition. Not to mention they come with summer tires instead of all season so you most likely need another set of tires. Audi's maintenance isn't exactly cheap either. I would love to have one but you need to pay for premium gas as well!

For someone who can't feel the car's handling, definitely go for the safer and less powerful camry! Don't even think about the V6, go for the 4 banger. In case she crashes again, it's just a camry

[TT]

Not to mention they come with summer tires instead of all season so you most likely need another set of tires.

Interesting how in North America all season tires seems to be very common... here in Switzerland I think at least 70% of the drivers own summer tires AND winter tires (ok, what a terrible OT )

Anyway, yes Alien, Audi's maintenance isn't cheap, but like the Camry both the A4 and A6 won't have big problems to fix for many years

[Silvia_Drift]

Originally Posted by RC45 How did she spin it so many times again? Sounds a little strange... Perhaps a few driving lessons will be the best investment that could be made at this point in time...

I have no idea how she spun. It was on the highway too at 100km/h lol. She spun the car into a ditch; I was surprised the car didn't flip when I say the place where she spun the first time. I have a hard enough time getting the car sideways and she spins the car without even trying lol.

[Silvia_Drift]

Originally Posted by HeilSvenska My mom owns a CAmry it...unspeakably horrid!!! I heard that A6 are less reliable than A4...why not a bimmer? ...forget what my avatar is...they rotate on regular basis...but i love audi!!! Ich liebe der Audi S4 und RS6!!!

I don't want her to get a bimmer because those are RWD and would be hard to drive for my mom. Like I said before, she doesn't understand the handling characteristics of cars even though she has been driving for like 20 years. I know there are the 4wd xi models but they are a bit too expensive and they send more torque to the rear just like the subaru.

[Silvia_Drift]

Originally Posted by TT Not to mention they come with summer tires instead of all season so you most likely need another set of tires. Interesting how in North America all season tires seems to be very common... here in Switzerland I think at least 70% of the drivers own summer tires AND winter tires (ok, what a terrible OT ) Anyway, yes Alien, Audi's maintenance isn't cheap, but like the Camry both the A4 and A6 won't have big problems to fix for many years

I went to Audi's site and it says that the quattro models come with 16inch rims with all season tires. This was just like the subaru which came with Bridgestone all seasons. I think these are good enough for winter and summer.

[TT]

Yes they are enough for winter and summer, but a compromise -> not perfect for neither of them IMO... and since your mom spun on a straight line on the highway, better put all the chances on her side, with summer tires during the summer and winter ones when needed

[abarth]

what do you think about 2001 BMW 330xi , 330xd or a 2000 BMW 520i, 525i ?

[KaBlookie]

Originally Posted by abarth what do you think about 2001 BMW 330xi , 330xd or a 2000 BMW 520i, 525i ?

the 5-series are out of the question cuz silvia said that RWD is out of the question...the 3-series AWD are also out cuz they're a bit too expensive with lower miles.

[Silvia_Drift]

Well, my mom said no to the two Audis without even driving them . Both Audis have around 90 000kms and she wants a warrenty which ends at 80000kms. Now its between the Toyota and a new Legacy. I thought she hated Subaru now but she is paranoid that her current Legacy is trying to kill her or something lol. I want her to wait untill the new 05 Legacy is released but she doesn't want to wait that long. So, I'm hoping she chooses the new Legacy since AWD will be much funner than a crappy FWD Camry.

[altezza]

if she is going to buy the new Legacy, make sure she will go for the 165hp model since the 250hp model is too many horsepower for her for sure

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1

[McP]

In the US I had a Camry 2.2 rental car and that was truly terrible… slow, boring, bad handling
……so now back home (in Europe) I drive a……. Camry??!
The reason: I’m almost 2 meters tall and that limits choosing a car, especially the space between brake pedal and steering wheel (in most cars my leg doesn’t fit) is a problem.
So now I drive a 3.0 V6 AT (2001) Camry, the interior is less plastic looking than in the US version, it handles better because of better suspension and 225/45 17 Goodyear F1GSD3 tires (in summer).
What’s important about a car to me:
Interior space (do I fit), safety, handling, long-distance driving, performance, reliability, price……looks
But at the moment I’m considering buying the new legacy 3.0R station (http://www.subaru-global.com/lineup/...agon/exterior/): btw the automatic versions have 60:40 (front: rear) power distribution (Manual 50:50). (or fitting a compressor, like on this camry http://ackbar.supercamry.com/main.html, because i wont be able to sell the car for a good price any way: nobody wants it)

Interesting fact:
in the US the Camry is one of the best selling cars <-> from march 31 the camry won’t be available in Europe because nobody (except me) wants to buy one.

My advice: buy the new Subaru (and if all else fails get a always reliable camry)

[Silvia_Drift]

Originally Posted by McP In the US I had a Camry 2.2 rental car and that was truly terrible… slow, boring, bad handling ……so now back home (in Europe) I drive a……. Camry??! The reason: I’m almost 2 meters tall and that limits choosing a car, especially the space between brake pedal and steering wheel (in most cars my leg doesn’t fit) is a problem. So now I drive a 3.0 V6 AT (2001) Camry, the interior is less plastic looking than in the US version, it handles better because of better suspension and 225/45 17 Goodyear F1GSD3 tires (in summer). What’s important about a car to me: Interior space (do I fit), safety, handling, long-distance driving, performance, reliability, price……looks But at the moment I’m considering buying the new legacy 3.0R station (http://www.subaru-global.com/lineup/...agon/exterior/): btw the automatic versions have 60:40 (front: rear) power distribution (Manual 50:50). (or fitting a compressor, like on this camry http://ackbar.supercamry.com/main.html, because i wont be able to sell the car for a good price any way: nobody wants it) Interesting fact: in the US the Camry is one of the best selling cars <-> from march 31 the camry won’t be available in Europe because nobody (except me) wants to buy one. My advice: buy the new Subaru (and if all else fails get a always reliable camry)

Hmm, are you sure about the Legacy having 60/40 power distribution? With our current Legacy, if you enter a corner at a low speed and mash the accelerator, the car will power oversteer like a RWD car but easier to control. It is also harder to maintain a drift. Thats why I though more torque goes to the rear end of the car.

[McP]

Yes pretty sure, they said so on a dutch car program during a road test of the NEW Legacy (3.0R) 60:40 for AT and 50:50 for MT; I don’t really understand why this is different per transmission type.

Will there be a new legacy again in 2005?, already, or is the legacy that I’m talking about already the 'new' 05 type http://www.subaru-global.com/lineup/...agon/exterior/