M6 vs Z06

[Shinigami]

Originally Posted by tforth where it really matters: on the autobahn and flat out (205-210 mph vs. ~195 mph).

If only that was possible...

How many of you have driven "flat out" on the autobahn? I did go to 155mph (restricted) for many minutes at a time, but:

a) driving at those speeds for extended periods of time, is a little stressing, and:
b) in reality, there's so many trucks and other cars that won't go anywhere near those speeds, so you're constantly going from 150, to 100mph, and then back to 150 (and praying that some Polish truck in front decides to not change lanes right on front of you).

I'd say, where it really matters on the autobahn, is being able to go from 80-140mph as quickly as possible, and this is from my personal experience.

[gis]

Originally Posted by Shinigami I'd say, where it really matters on the autobahn, is being able to go from 80-140mph as quickly as possible, and this is from my personal experience.

so that means the M6 with all those mods,wasnt any faster than the stock Z06 if they ran on the autobahn,lol

[gis]

Originally Posted by Shinigami I'd say, where it really matters on the autobahn, is being able to go from 80-140mph as quickly as possible, and this is from my personal experience.

so that means the M6 with all those mods,wasnt any faster than the stock Z06 if they ran on the autobahn,lol

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by brembo Originally Posted by nthfinity blah blah blah. You guys might be surprised how many FGT's are out there with 100% stock internals running 30-40% power gain's with TONS of miles under those midifications... Nope Im not surprised at all that there are cars runing those numbers, I just dont understand why the cars aint sold out of the box with that 40% more hp.... Doesnt Chevy, Ford or Dodge thrust their engines enough to give that under warranty, like their European counterparts do....

when the benchmark performance is so "low" why?

[ae86_16v]

Since I am BMW fanboy, in this case, I think I would rather take the sportscar Z06 than the cruiser M6.

Plus the Z06 definitely looks a lot better. 8)

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by brembo Originally Posted by nthfinity Originally Posted by brembo Originally Posted by nthfinity blah blah blah. You guys might be surprised how many FGT's are out there with 100% stock internals running 30-40% power gain's with TONS of miles under those midifications... Nope Im not surprised at all that there are cars runing those numbers, I just dont understand why the cars aint sold out of the box with that 40% more hp.... Doesnt Chevy, Ford or Dodge thrust their engines enough to give that under warranty, like their European counterparts do.... when the benchmark performance is so "low" why? Well if you line up the Z06, the FGT and the Viper wich is the top performers from them they still will be beat by the best from Europe....

Sooooo, now a 911 turbo beats a Ford GT, or the new viper, and Z06?
Sooooo.... the F430 beats em? LOL
sooooo.... the GAllardo beats them?

Are you trying to compare the Zonda and CGT and Enzo to these cars? You are silly.... may as well compare against the Saleen S7... then you get into the proper realm

In the mean time.... the Ford GT's chassis is superior of anything in europe short of the CF tubs

[r2r]

^ That's not how things work!

Comparing top of the line Porsche (ex: Carrera GT) is not the same thing as comparing top of the line Chevy (ex: Corvette Z06)

American sports cars don't reach Ferrari or Porsche levels simply because few people would pay as much as they would for an Enzo or a Carrera GT.


BTW, I wonder what the wheel hp of the stock M6 is if it only does 480 with modification!

[79TA]

Good race. It's nice to see them run all the way up to 180 like that. :shock:

[sentra_dude]

Originally Posted by r2r ^ That's not how things work! Comparing top of the line Porsche (ex: Carrera GT) is not the same thing as comparing top of the line Chevy (ex: Corvette Z06) American sports cars don't reach Ferrari or Porsche levels simply because few people would pay as much as they would for an Enzo or a Carrera GT. BTW, I wonder what the wheel hp of the stock M6 is if it only does 480 with modification!

With a very conservative guess at 15% loss from crank (507) to rear wheel horsepower, probably about 425 or 420.

[r2r]

^ Well the first thought that comes to mind is maybe there is a higher demand for personal customization in power and performance.

So basically they buy the stock car and modify it to their liking and their budget. That way every body is happy.

[tforth]

^^^That pretty much sums it up. That's why Chevy had to go to Lotus when they developed the ZR-1 engine (and Mercury marine built them as I recall). Just look at who wins most of the engine awards (BMW). They get high specific power/L + high specific torque/L at relatively low RPMs, with industry leading fuel economy (non M cars that is).

[79TA]

Originally Posted by tforth ^^^That pretty much sums it up. That's why Chevy had to go to Lotus when they developed the ZR-1 engine (and Mercury marine built them as I recall). Just look at who wins most of the engine awards (BMW). They get high specific power/L + high specific torque/L at relatively low RPMs, with industry leading fuel economy (non M cars that is).

Why does everyone forget about the LS7R's award?

http://www.katechengines.com/katech_...ease.php?id=53

Anyway, a smallblock chevy tends to have much more potential (or atleast potential per dollar) than anything offered by BMW. This is because BMW's generally are offered in a higher state of tune in stock form.

[tforth]

There's no questions that for hp/$, or even more so ft-lb/$, an old tech push-rod engine seems appealing. However, as soon as you enter other factors into the mix like calorific/specific fuel efficiency and therefore CO2/hp, etc. things start to make more sense as to why even GM has been steadily drifting away from this technology, over the past 10-20 years. I believe that it all started with their 'Oldsmobile' (remember that brand?) quad 4...

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by brembo Originally Posted by 79TA Anyway, a smallblock chevy tends to have much more potential (or atleast potential per dollar) than anything offered by BMW. This is because BMW's generally are offered in a higher state of tune in stock form. I am aware there is potential in the American engines thats the whole point, there is tons of potential, the manufactors of the engines just dont use that potential like Europeans does... And of course there is higher potential in a higher deplacment engine that goes without saying, but if that potential aint even scratched why not use a smaller deplacment engine wich is more efficient, lighter and gets a better fuel economy? Im not talking just about the Z06, FGT or the Viper here this goes across the line....

You guys still don't get it.

First off... why doesn't the honda 2.4 4 cylinder get good fuel economy even compared to the 7 liter LS7?

What about the Subaru and Evo's not making good on efficiency? the M3 doesn't get as good efficiency as the big american v8 sports cars.

even the RX8 gets crap for fuel economy, and its only 1.3 liters (sure, its not directly comparable... but... it is still comparable)

the audi TT makes do with a small displacment motor that is ok on fuel, but by far not good... the 3.2 is even worse.

you want economy, get a economy car.

[5vz-fe]

^Let's not forget the reliability