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Old 11-05-2003, 06:50 AM   #241
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Porsche is probably upset about the BMW X5 Le Mans being so fast around their backyard, the Ring...
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Old 11-05-2003, 05:09 PM   #242
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- RUF R40 -



At the recent 40th anniversary celebration of Ruf Automobile GmbH, held in Austria , Alois Ruf gave guests a first glimpse of the mid-engined sports car that the company will launch next summer.

The prototype R40 did two laps of the Salzburgring with racer-cum-journalist Paul Frere at the wheel. Ruf says many details will change between now and production, but the company is keen to scotch speculation that the R40 is based on a Boxster because it's mid-engined. In fact, the bespoke chassis is designed in-house, married to a lightweight bodyshell and powered by a modified 911 Turbo motor with over 600bhp. Ruf declined to discuss numbers or performance figures, but if you consider that the 911 Turbo-based Ruf R Turbo was officially clocked at 218mph at Nardo last October, the R40 is potentially even faster.

Ruf believes there's a gap in the market between the 911 Turbo and the Carrera GT. The R40 aims to combine supercar presence with the driveability of a 911 Turbo. Ruf is registered as a manufacturer by the German Transport Authority and has 25 years' experience in building cars from bare shells. Despite the top speed records his modified Porsches have set over the years, Alois Ruf has always said he would build his own car one day. That day has now arrived.
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Old 11-05-2003, 06:44 PM   #243
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Cool , ruf make some really mad shit , so being their first car they made wow !!! must be extraordinary , i think it looks awesome too
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Old 11-07-2003, 05:30 PM   #244
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- first CGT test -

... i think you all`ve heared about the first “real” test of the CGT set up by german car mag Auto Moto Sport (AMS) which was published a week ago…
sorry for being late with the infos, I know I promised you some interesting figures too, but i´ve been so busy currently because i´ve to sort all the things out with my job at Bosch to find a adequate successor for my position...

so here´s what`s important to know about that test:

0-60: 3.8sec
0-125: 10.9 sec
top speed: 205+mph ( not measured )
weight: 1472kg
av. fuel cons.: 18.6 ltrs ( max: 24.5 )
ISO-evasion test : 97mph
rating : 5 of 5 stars ( the CGT mixes pure racing athmosphere with road capability and the
Porsche typical integrity. sensational is the acceleration, the brakes and handling, breath taking the price )

so what is to say about this??? first off, everybody´ll say “i´m quite dissapointed”, that`s been exactely my thought too, because Porsche has always been very conservative with their performance claims and for a non-insider this test might damage the the credibility of Porsche. nowadays 0-60 figures aren´t interesting any more, there are so many sub 4sec cars, so the main acceleration test is from 0-124,223 ( 0-200kmh ) and with a time of 10.9 sec it`s a second slower than Porsche claimed, so it`s been absolutely clear to me that there must be something wrong, because i know Porsche since...ever...and 99% of their claims about performance were true or better..
sadly they didn`t measured the top speed, but i think it won´t go much faster than the 205mph, although when i ´ve been driving it in 6th at around 185mph and it still accerlerated i thought it`d go easily way above 205, well who cares if 205 or 220...
exceptional is the speed of the ISO-evasion test, because with a speed of 97mph it`s faster than anything else i´ve seen so far in that category, to compare a Zonda S and the Lambo Murc reached 85mph in that test...
fuel consumption is kinda low for a car in that performance category, a min. of 12.4 ltrs is amazing, the 24.5 for max. consumption is quite the same figure we reached at test track in Leipzig ( 25.8ltrs ).
also the brakes are unrivalled with a deceleration of 12.5 m/s²
37m from 60-0 doesn´t sound good, but AMS introduced a new breaking measurement, now they don´t measure the way when the full deceleration is reached, the reaction time is also added, and for that, 37m are quite impressive.
and finally, the reason of all this: the weight...
...1472kg....my first thought: what the fuck.....???
in case you´ve forgotten, the DIN weight is 1380kg withouth the optional A/C, stereo and smaller battery. all these options would add another 50kg, so the car would weight 1430kg, so what about the remaining 42kg???
i immediately asked the right ppl at PAG and they´ve told me some interesting facts...
first, the car for the AMS test wasn´t a car directly supplied from Porsche which is common for something like that, because the manufacturers are always keen on providing the best material for satisfying results, and the AMS car had been one of the cars from the pool of press cars, and how they are treated are well known, i remind you of the journalist who managed to destroy the engine of a CGT on the first test ride on german autobahn when he selected 2nd instead of 4th, the engine reved to about 14000!!!rpm and….died….
second, the seven press cars have pre-production parts installed and a press finish with more colour layers, so they confirmed me that the production cars for the customers´ll have a DIN weight of 1380kg without the options.
and another interesting thing, the CGT prototypes of the production version were way lighter that the production version now, they only weighted 1150-1200kg, but because of the high number of units, e.g. in comparison to the Enzo, PAG had to deal with several compromise and had to change the product specification: effortless entrance, more comfortable passenger compartment (e.g. el. window lift ), complete safety features, full road capability (e.g. higher ground clearance), EURO4 exhaust standard and worldwide specifications added ~200kg...sadly, just imagine that car with 200kg less...
to the test figures, all tests that where made was with two persons and a full tank of gas furthermore the test conditions weren't very good. it was pretty moistly, pavement wasn't completely dry and the test drivers left the ASR turned on during testing.
i´m afraid we´ll have to wait untill next summer or so to see a real test under good conditions, because i already know the figures from “Sport Auto” too, which is the most decent german speaking car mag, and features the kinda unique “Supertest” which is IMO the best of all car tests, and the conditions during their test were also very bad, raining as well and 0 degree centigrades…

…so it`s quite funny to read what the “experts” on the other forums´ve to say about the “dissapointing” AMS test figures, i hope non of you has ever believed one of them…

i´ll keep on doing some investigations on that topic and tell you then…

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Old 11-07-2003, 06:17 PM   #245
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And anyway in the next months we will see more tests and other results as always and of course even a perfect supercar of the modern days like a CGT can be, can sure have different results from a car to another

BTW st-anger -> http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost...php?photo=1232 photoshop?
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Old 11-07-2003, 07:04 PM   #246
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Originally Posted by TT
photoshop?
...definitely, i´ve seen them too on "supercars.net" i think...
the CGT´ll only be available in
black, basaltblack, seal grey, GT silver, guards red and fayence yellow...

btw...i´d definately go for basaltblack with the brown interiour 8)
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Old 11-07-2003, 07:15 PM   #247
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I'm relieved and I agree with you for the color choice
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Old 11-08-2003, 10:38 AM   #248
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Its a bit diasppointing to see these results but they are still stunning relatively speaking! Can we specify no window lifts or airbags please.. at least 100kg lighter and then that will be a quick car!
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Old 11-08-2003, 11:41 AM   #249
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Originally Posted by scubywrxr
Its a bit diasppointing to see these results but they are still stunning relatively speaking! Can we specify no window lifts or airbags please.. at least 100kg lighter and then that will be a quick car!
...i´m not dissapointed by these figures any more, why should i, now that i know all the circumstances, and IMO the figures ARE stunning under these conditions...
and believe me, the car is already a VERY quick one, even with window lifts, airbag, A/C, stereo,....
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Old 11-08-2003, 01:13 PM   #250
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yes i see ur point.. some enthusist like their steaks a little lean though

look at what mclaren achieved.. and it even had gold in the engine bay...
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Old 11-08-2003, 06:50 PM   #251
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the first high speed speedo pic of a CGT i´ve found...
TT may i ask you to read it through and tell us what`s inside the article, if there`s anything worth to mention, thx...
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Old 11-08-2003, 07:00 PM   #252
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They don't say much we didn't know allready.

0-100 3.9
0-200 9.9
1000m from standstill: 20 sec (Zonda: 19.7 by the way - Enzo: Not 100% sure but I thought 19.6)

After that they compare it a bit to the Enzo wich has a greater top speed & better acceleration figures to show. The Porsche has better figures then the Merc SLR. But these figures are less important then the stability of the ride wich Porsche attains.
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Originally Posted by 1zippo1
They don't say much we didn't know allready.
... i see, thx anyway...
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Old 11-08-2003, 07:11 PM   #254
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As zippo said, not a real review/test.. just lot of nice words about the car, but it seems they barely touched it... I wonder if the journalist actually drove it...
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Old 11-08-2003, 07:17 PM   #255
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noone seems to have had a test of any of these cars in anger.. so the performance figures published are a bit suspect... thats my opinion anyway. I think road and track or EVO should have a go at getting some real world figures!
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