Hummer H1

[Spuzzard]

Originally Posted by gtx28 You know how the military hummers have a hardtop slant back, i have a vid somewhere of a civilian turbo diesel version in all gloss black its so awesome looking, subzero in my book!! here kinda like this now tell me thats not cool!!!

Oh Man! Now that's COOL!

[Evo8]

Originally Posted by Dropot2 Maybe it's better than everything else in an open area such as a desert, but I'm sure that many conventional off-road cars will beat it in a deep forest, simply because it wouldn't fit in it.

He's right.
HMMWV and Hummer is far from the best off-roader. It's the best "glamour offroader", but not the best. It was built as a small cargo and tow truck for mostly unpaved roads.

Actually, some of the best off-road cars are these:




GAS-66, Soviet/Russian, military/civilian. Probably the most extreme production offroader, coming with controlled tire pressure, high variable clearance, and other gizmos.

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Unimog, German, civilian. The industry standard for offroad work.

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UAZ-469, Soviet, military/police/civilian. On a rally, it happened for one of these to pull out a Hummer H1.

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ATV, plenty of them. These beat nearly any truck.

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And then of course go some rally-raid cars like Bowler Wildcat, which are also far ahead of Humvee. And only then comes Humvee.

[Mattk]

^True, but you would hardly buy them to drive on the street. The Hummer can do both. It also looks better. Coolness is the whole package, mate.

[Evo8]

Lots of compact SUV, from Land Cruiser 70 (specifically 70) to 469 are a fully street vehicles. And of sensible size, so they won't get stuck if the street is narrow. And with better on-road handling than Hummer.

Generally, off the road, smaller tends to mean better. The fraction of people who ever drive off the road is perhaps the lowest among Hummer users.

But that was on a tangent, on topic of which is actually best on the road.

Though about coolness... Don't tell me this doesn't look cool (this is NOT Hummer, but a modified Gaz-66!):



The full cab, engine-forward version of the truck on the first image. Although it looks a bit too close to an enlarged Hummer, but it's the owner who put such a grille - otherwise a production road vehicle.

There are lots better offroaders than Hummer (have I mentioned Bowler Wildcat?), the civvie Hummer is rather about bling and poseur.

[sdijkstra]

With this behemoth, there is no longer any need to flash slow traffic in the fast lane. You can just run them over.
Definitely sub-zero.

[79TA]

Originally Posted by Evo8 He's right. HMMWV and Hummer is far from the best off-roader. It's the best "glamour offroader", but not the best. It was built as a small cargo and tow truck for mostly unpaved roads.

The H1 has some impressive stats as far as fording streams, approach angles, and how steep of a wall it can drive along, but for all practical off-roading purposes, it's just too wide. I love going out on trails in any sort of Wrangler/Cherokee and watching all of the larger rigs scrape bushes and rocks the whole way. Then, when you hit some sand, the Jeeps stay up while larger trucks get stuck repeatedly, even after airing down. The original Willy's MB, while lacking safety features and power, was a VERY capable vehicle. Once the patent ran out on the chassis, it was pretty much copied by Suzuki to underpin the Samuri. And yea, Unimogs are pretty sweet.

[torrentjunkie]

Uncool, it's a brilliant machine, but it's bought more by idiots who can only command respect because of wealth and nothing else, rather than being bought by people who actually buy it for it's off road capabilities. I think if it was exclusive only to military forces then it would be instantly sub zero. However it still is alot cooler than the H2.

[Jacques_JDM]

SubZero!!