This guy is a FOOL

[rave426]

Here is some a post from a site abou the upcoming Viper that is being tuned by McLaren.

Look at what one dumbass had to say.

wow… the snake HAS lost it’s bite. my grandmother was just complaining about the sub-500 horsepower in her new mercedes stationwagon. dodge once showed the way forward with its viper making 50 hp/liter. due to recent advances, at 61 hp/L, dodge only needs to produce a 10L engine to show the way! supercars should have so much horsepower that electronic driving nannies become required by law. no human should be able to pilot a car costing more than $75,000 without a computer smoothing out the control input while correcting the steering through stability control. to think - companies like caterham and lotus think that they build sporty cars! BTW: why is mclaren a talkingpoint for engines all of a sudden? mercedes relies on illmor and amg to power the mercedes/mclaren combinations, while mclaren’s F1 got its engine from the bmw m division.

10 LITERS - Apparently people dont remember that gas 3 bucks a gallon now. And apprarently some ppl think 61 hp/l is an incredible feat......What is the automotive enthusiast world coming to..... Im from America and ppl like this make us look like jackasses

[Skaala]

isn't it an american company also called Mclaren that's tuning the new Viper?

[RC45]

Hey - what forum is that from?

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by RC45 Hey - what forum is that from?

LOL

it really suprises me the kind of crap people stout off as fact

first off...

back in the early 90's when the Viper came out.... how much power did the Testerossa have? or what about the Porsche?

the Viper had 400 hp, quickly moving on up to 450, and most recently 500ish...

but...
the reaility is that Dodge has notoriously overstated their power output for years....

how do you save money on development costs? hire somebody else to tune the engine.... and this McLaren is a US... a Michigan based comopany not the UK F1 team.

if the engine is designed out-of-house, then the maintanice bills will definately skyrocket.... look at the ZR-1 which never could even pass the 300 hour Wide Open Throttle test that GM does with all thier engines...

anyway....

yeah, even you seem to be as knowledgable as the guy you posted about

[RC45]

http://blog.windingroad.com/?p=110

I found it.. Winding Road blog...

What is up with an online car magazine?

Do think that kind of thing could ever work??

[rave426]

yeah, even you seem to be as knowledgable as the guy you posted about

If you are talking about me......Just how in the world, from what I typed, did you come to the conclusion that I "seem to be as knowledgable" as the guy I posted about.

If you are directing that to me...you need to develop your reading comprehension skills very soon, cause life is gonna leave you behind my boy.

If u not talking to me, then....MY FAULT

[Vansquish]

Originally Posted by RC45 http://blog.windingroad.com/?p=110 I found it.. Winding Road blog... What is up with an online car magazine? Do think that kind of thing could ever work??

It's possible, they have some reasonably well-known contributors (David E. Davis for one). I've got a "subscription" and while the magazine is absolutely full of advertisements, the writing isn't all bad and they test some reasonably good and interesting cars. Unfortunately they're usually a month or two behind the more regularly-published magazines.

[RC45]

Originally Posted by Vansquish Originally Posted by RC45 http://blog.windingroad.com/?p=110 I found it.. Winding Road blog... What is up with an online car magazine? Do think that kind of thing could ever work?? It's possible, they have some reasonably well-known contributors (David E. Davis for one). I've got a "subscription" and while the magazine is absolutely full of advertisements, the writing isn't all bad and they test some reasonably good and interesting cars. Unfortunately they're usually a month or two behind the more regularly-published magazines.

If its that easy I think I am going to go and create one this evening.

You want to be the first subscriber?

[rave426]

Make it happen RC45!! You're in Houston and I'm in Shreveport, but ima try to get an engineering job down there when i graduate. It would beat ass if it worked and companies sent you the cars to be tested and reviewed! I would come and help you test'em out. Now I already said it, dont let me see it happen and ya forget about me

Testing out a 997 GT3RS

Hell-to-da-yeah

[RC45]

Originally Posted by rave426 Make it happen RC45!! You're in Houston and I'm in Shreveport, but ima try to get an engineering job down there when i graduate. It would beat ass if it worked and companies sent you the cars to be tested and reviewed! I would come and help you test'em out. Now I already said it, dont let me see it happen and ya forget about me Testing out a 997 GT3RS Hell-to-da-yeah

Well - just be sure and not piss off any of the editors though

[Vansquish]

Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by Vansquish Originally Posted by RC45 http://blog.windingroad.com/?p=110 I found it.. Winding Road blog... What is up with an online car magazine? Do think that kind of thing could ever work?? It's possible, they have some reasonably well-known contributors (David E. Davis for one). I've got a "subscription" and while the magazine is absolutely full of advertisements, the writing isn't all bad and they test some reasonably good and interesting cars. Unfortunately they're usually a month or two behind the more regularly-published magazines. If its that easy I think I am going to go and create one this evening. You want to be the first subscriber?

Haha...well, you've certainly been doing some pretty interesting stuff lately, I'd be interested

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by Vansquish Originally Posted by RC45 Originally Posted by Vansquish Originally Posted by RC45 http://blog.windingroad.com/?p=110 I found it.. Winding Road blog... What is up with an online car magazine? Do think that kind of thing could ever work?? It's possible, they have some reasonably well-known contributors (David E. Davis for one). I've got a "subscription" and while the magazine is absolutely full of advertisements, the writing isn't all bad and they test some reasonably good and interesting cars. Unfortunately they're usually a month or two behind the more regularly-published magazines. If its that easy I think I am going to go and create one this evening. You want to be the first subscriber? Haha...well, you've certainly been doing some pretty interesting stuff lately, I'd be interested

issue one should be ready soon.... what say, wednesday, if the contributing editors are "ready" per say.



BTW, i'm really not a fan of The Winding Road... its got a catchy name to it, and the same journalists that many ive spoken with have become disallusioned by.

[nthfinity]

10 LITERS - Apparently people dont remember that gas 3 bucks a gallon now. And apprarently some ppl think 61 hp/l is an incredible feat......What is the automotive enthusiast world coming to..... Im from America and ppl like this make us look like jackasses

i understand your fustration with some other ignorant sloth's view; but since when does anybody but the americans design a sportscar with fuel economy in mind?

the huge displacement Z06 makes a very nice 28-30 mpg highway, the Ford GT may have a small tank, but will make 23 highway in real life.... what do the italians, the germans, and the british do?

and beyond that, most sportscars dont care about fuel economy, as guess what, you have to pay to play... and everybody knows that.

61 hp/liter.... i am an advocate that hp/liter doesn't mean anything its lbs. /hp, or visa versa

while sure, its impressive to stuff "that much poweR" in a small package... its really not anything more special then the guy who can play longer, and for cheaper with the same power. Why do you think Ford left prototype racing in the late 60's? after winning the endurance races.... not so much on speed, as much as on reliability... then they get the rules changed so they can't win...

and it didn't change a thing about how we build engines.... we build them in absolute mass production.

anyway..... rant over

[martin100]

61 hp/litre? Ask BMW for example what they think about this amazing achievement...

[rave426]

I see your point very clearly, and I agree with your point about lbs/hp being more important. This is true when it comes to speed, but honestly I dont think the Viper is made and I know its not marketed for the same people who would, for instance, buy a Zonda. The Viper is designed by Chrysler to be a livable supercar that can be bought by upper (if not upper middle) class people. The Viper already only gets about 12-13 real world mpg on the highway. A bigger engine in the same car wouldnt help one bit, and while the car wasnt made to be gas saver, it still sucks when you think about the other company (GM) with a car just as fast that gets about 26 mpg highway.

One of the reasons the Z06 gets such good millage is because its light and one of the most aerodynamic cars you can buy. So my point in saying that was to argue from a competitive view, plus the fact that they should, in no means, need an engine that large to give an excuse in terms of power and reliability for less money (heck until the RAM SRT-10 came out, it wasnt like they had to build a hell of alot of the things, so mass production isnt an excuse). Hp/L may be an overused hype nowadays, but you cant deny the fact that it shows a company's devotion and engineering excellence to engine design. You seem to have more sense than many people do, so i'm sure you know that anybody can make more horsepower with a large engine, but what is the point in a larger engine if the 40% of the potential is wasted and ends up just being added weight (remember there are some 800+ N/A Viper out there) Not to knock these engines, because I think the Z06 and Viper engines are incredible in their own ways, but as an engineering student that has to deal with stress and strain members, I am very impressed with companies that try to bend the laws of physics with engines that are highly tuned and reliable.

Think about it - The engines in the the S2000 and Type-R cars have been proven to be some of the most reliable engines in the world.