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graywolf624 · 04-09-2007, 05:11 PM

What makes you think I dont know how to read a man? Shit Ive been in the ring enough times to figure out what one is going to do by looking him in the eyes

I was explaining it to Nfinity, not you.. That being said you wouldnt have the experience to read the man on the ground as you havent been there against a professional.. You must practice the situation. The wrestler on the other hand has been trained to watch the movments of the hands at standing.. which was my whole point.

anybody in the zone can react in .1 seconds... there are tests to prove it even... but in a casual experience, of course Schui will have a slow reaction time...

The zone is part of picking up those clues.

SFDMALEX · 04-09-2007, 05:14 PM

Yes, and many times in UFC and pride guys got knocked the fuck out from a spin kick before anything even went down.

Mate you are tripping if you think that you can completly imobilzie my ass by taking me down.

WRESTLERS DONT TRAIN TO TAKE ELBOWS TO THE HEAD!

Its a different sport. I can tell that.

Wreslters dont train against head buts, wrestlers dont train against the defence of any strikes because the sport is not about striking.

How hard is that to figure out?

SFDMALEX · 04-09-2007, 05:16 PM

Gray it would take you hours and months of practice to learn how to counter any strike being a wrestler.

I dont remember a wrestling competition which started of with a guy jump kicking his opponent in the head.

graywolf624 · 04-09-2007, 05:17 PM

Mate you are tripping if you think that you can completly imobilzie my ass by taking me down.

Bigger men then you have made that claim.. Ive held people 3 x my size who were proffessional boxers indefinitly to the ground.. Your tripping if you dont think a wrestler can immobilize your ass.. 90 percent of things once you take a person down are about imobilizing.. If they can use their hands they can get out.. Hand control is number one above all in wrestling.. Its the first and last thing they teach you... and everything in between. If you have no hands.. you cant hit.. If you have no hands you also most likely arent in the position to kick.. AT that point without training its over.

Wreslters dont train against head buts, wrestlers dont train against the defence of any strikes because the sport is not about striking.

They train to strike at movement and block movement. The difference between reaching for a throw and reaching with a punch is not that far and few between.

dutchmasterflex · 04-09-2007, 05:19 PM

Its practice that makes each move a reaction that you don't even have to think about to execute.

UFC isn't gay and is probably the closest thing the Western Civilization has to the Roman Gladiators.

graywolf624 · 04-09-2007, 05:20 PM

Gray it would take you hours and months of practice to learn how to counter any strike being a wrestler.

I dont remember a wrestling competition which started of with a guy jump kicking his opponent in the head.

Complete bull shit it would.
A wrestler is trained for the hand movements and to dodge them. Thats alot of the counter to striking.
You arent trained at all on the ground.. Not even a little. For one your showing a double standard by arguing months and hours.. For two theres quite obviously for anyone who knows about wrestling much more paralel dodging strikes then grappling. ITs much more natural for one.. For two if your watching for twitches for hand movements to shoot or throw, your still watching to counter the hands.. Its already a learned retained skill. The only variation is certain moves wont work. I can remember boxing with a roomate several years ago. Granted he only did Jiu Jitsu (wont get into my feeling about that).. I was able to block almost every punch he threw and hit him about 50 percent of the time..And I was boxing not shooting or throwing, hardly my strong point. My punches probably didnt hurt much as much as they would with training.. But its a definite example of the effect of watching for reactions.

SFDMALEX · 04-09-2007, 05:22 PM

[quote="graywolf624"]

Bigger men then you have made that claim.. Ive held people 3 x my size who were proffessional boxers indefinitly to the ground.. Your tripping if you dont think a wrestler can immobilize your ass.. 90 percent of things once you take a person down are about imobilizing.. If they can use their hands they can get out.. Hand control is number one above all in wrestling.. Its the first and last thing they teach you... and everything in between.

You must have been fighting tomato cans. Cause someone 3 times your size can just sit on you and beat you. I also highly doubt you would have anywhere near the strength that a fit 250lb guy would. Its like me fighting a 140lb. He cant punch hard enough, or have the raw strength to take me down.

The difference between reaching for a throw and reaching with a punch is not that far and few between.

Oh rly...

You clearly must have never been properly punched at then. :roll:

SFDMALEX · 04-09-2007, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by graywolf624

Gray it would take you hours and months of practice to learn how to counter any strike being a wrestler.

I dont remember a wrestling competition which started of with a guy jump kicking his opponent in the head.

Complete bull shit it would.
A wrestler is trained for the hand movements and to dodge them. Thats alot of the counter to striking.
You arent trained at all on the ground.. Not even a little. For one your showing a double standard by arguing months and hours.. For two theres quite obviously for anyone who knows about wrestling much more paralel dodging strikes then grappling. ITs much more natural for one.. For two if your watching for twitches for hand movements to shoot or throw, your still watching to counter the hands.. Its already a learned retained skill. The only variation is certain moves wont work.

Your too funny man......I mean really

How are you going to stop a man whose drop kicking you? I mean really...How?

Are drops kicks soemthing you train against?

I guess you got some wrestling moves to stop a 200lb object flying in the air at you and then take him to the ground.

graywolf624 · 04-09-2007, 05:28 PM

You must have been fighting tomato cans. Cause someone 3 times your size can just sit on you and beat you. I also highly doubt you would have anywhere near the strength that a fit 250lb guy would. Its like me fighting a 140lb. He cant punch hard enough, or have the raw strength to take me down.

HAHAHA... You still are severely underestimating wrestling. There are a number of immobilization techniques which match leg power to arm power.. In that case theres very little chance of the guy getting up. All you have to do to immobilize is take out one leg of the chair. All the power in the world wont get up from that.

For the record the guy in question benched 350 lbs (collegiate football player and former boxer) when I use to spot him.. My puny ass held him there for 8 mins.. he finally gave up. I'm not weak by any means.. But there are techniques that make it much easier.

You clearly must have never been properly punched at then.

Or maybe no one properly tried to throw you.

SFDMALEX · 04-09-2007, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by graywolf624

For the record the guy in question benched 350 lbs (collegiate football player and former boxer) when I use to spot him.. My puny ass held him there for 8 mins.. he finally gave up. I'm not weak by any means.. But there are techniques that make it much easier.

So you had a 'no rule' fist fight with a big football jock and you kicked his ass?

Well I always knew football players couldnt fight

graywolf624 · 04-09-2007, 05:31 PM

How are you going to stop a man whose drop kicking you? I mean really...How?

Drop kick.. Youve been watching too much professional wrestling. Kick itself.. Catch the damn thing.. Its done all the time in mwa, even by poor wrestlers. It isnt that difficult. One could ask you the same question though. If I hit you with a bullrush shot what are you going to do(I guess the best way to describe it would be to make you watch professional wrestling ironically enough.. Bill goldberg used an exagerated version of said move in the wwf. Your going down hard if your hit with it... Or how about a hip throw.. OR a front head lock. Merkel? What then? Hard to kick when your ass is swinging through the air 5 feet off the ground.

gucom · 04-09-2007, 05:32 PM

just out of curiosity, sfd, have you ever been the subject of a properly done armlock? i doubt the strongest guy in the world would feel like resisting much if that happened to him...

graywolf624 · 04-09-2007, 05:32 PM

So you had a 'no rule' fist fight with a big football jock and you kicked his ass?

No.. I challenged a guy 3 x my size who was a former boxer and football player.. to get up after I got ahold of him on the ground.
That was it.. He could do anything he wanted. He didnt get up.
He was running his jaw just like you.. Making a big mistake.. underestimating someone from a different sport.

nthfinity · 04-09-2007, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by nthfinity

I watched the title fight between contender Matt Serra , and defending champ, Georges St-Pierre.... and I came to the conclusion that I think both boxing and UFC would have the same outcome given each other's rules...

I personally cannot stand the idea that the persuer can continue knocking a guy beaten to the ground to a pulp... but after watching more then a few rounds over the last year or two, I think the outcome would still be in favor of the respective victors.

I have a lot more respect for boxers... but that's just me i guess....

nthfinity · 04-09-2007, 05:35 PM

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