06-15-2005, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by blah
Doesnt GM own a small percentage of Fiat?
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LOL
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06-15-2005, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
Originally Posted by RC45
you have to wonder what good "race heritage" is at the end of the day...
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Good enough do dominate FIA GT, give the Vettes a run for their money for the time that prodrive was in ALMS and to win Le Mans....and all that by privaters, without the "factory" supporting them everyday
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It's the Corvettes first year in FIA and they have already done pretty good.
GM does not race - period.. the C5R is a GM endorsed project that was undertaken by Pratt & Miller and dates back to 1998/99.
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Beat me to it RC!
We'll see this weekend at LeMans. I still have high hopes for the Vettes even with the ACO and thier nonsense 3:55 rule.
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06-16-2005, 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by RC45
Originally Posted by Toronto
^^^ thus proving that if it turns right on a track, big companies don't want anything to do with in the states
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Proving nothing - factory involvment in racing has been a touch and go venture for most car companies since the inveiton of the automobile.
The 100% backed fully promoted factory campaigns have been few and far bewteen - and mostly limited to companies who tried to make a living racing, rather than selling product.
It is after all - still a profit driven market
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true
but a large amount of auto makers do race their own cars
Rally teams anyone?
Ford, BMW, Mercs, AUDI, VW, Bently, Ferrari, Lambo, Mistu, Toyota, Honda...
The french
I would put good money on it, that more then 1/2 the (BIG- not some 5 guys in a farm in the UK) auto companies race their own cars.
GM does not race - period..
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NASCAR? what is that pace car again?
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06-16-2005, 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Toronto
GM does not race - period..
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NASCAR? what is that pace car again?
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They are privately funded and developed race teams.
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06-16-2005, 02:06 AM
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06-16-2005, 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Toronto
http://www.gm.com/company/racing/whywerace/index.htm
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Yes - this is a brand new philosophy that only came about because the private innitiatives were so successful.
As has been said before, a classic case of "the privateer breaks the ground, the big copr reaps the cash" so to speak.
GM is a participant in racing. As a result, we follow an "open architecture" philosophy, keeping our hardware flexible, expandable and serviceable. We've created a guidebook, complete with illustrations and part numbers, that explains how anyone can be competitive in Sport Compact Drag Racing. Heck, someone might just build a motor that beats the factory team. This democratization of racing is what we're all about and a big part of why we race.
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A few short years ago this was a completely different story - all the racing support was under the table and the best you would get was race kits for privateers, and the likes of Pratt & Miller, Lou Giggiolotti etc would build race winning setups - and would not get official "open architecture" support.
Plus, the rules have changed requiring the race cars to more closely match the production components - so in order for GM cars to remain competitive they need to (for example the C6 Z06) come from the factory with race worthy components.
Still not sure what argument you are trying to win?
But the bottom line is - the teams are still privately funded and owned.
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06-16-2005, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 666fast
Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
Originally Posted by RC45
you have to wonder what good "race heritage" is at the end of the day...
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Good enough do dominate FIA GT, give the Vettes a run for their money for the time that prodrive was in ALMS and to win Le Mans....and all that by privaters, without the "factory" supporting them everyday
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It's the Corvettes first year in FIA and they have already done pretty good.
GM does not race - period.. the C5R is a GM endorsed project that was undertaken by Pratt & Miller and dates back to 1998/99.
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Beat me to it RC!
We'll see this weekend at LeMans. I still have high hopes for the Vettes even with the ACO and thier nonsense 3:55 rule.
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Couldnt care less about the Vette in FIA GT, just simply stating that 550 is/was a dominant car in the series. Toughest GT series by far.
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06-16-2005, 11:47 AM
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Sheeet ladies, looks like the Ferraris are fast down in France today.
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06-16-2005, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
Sheeet ladies, looks like the Ferraris are fast down in France today.
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Just had a look at the live timing and scoring, the Ferrari's are running roughly 5 seconds slower than the Vettes. The Vettes, are running almost 5 seconds slower than the Astons.
Funny part is, the Corvette team is being accused of sandbagging qualifying. Makes sense, since Dehan said he doesn't care about qualifying times.
Go Corvette!
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06-16-2005, 05:38 PM
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Go Aston!
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06-16-2005, 06:05 PM
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Go VILLA!!!!!
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06-16-2005, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RC45
Go VILLA!!!!!
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GO BANANA!
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06-16-2005, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by blah
Originally Posted by RC45
Go VILLA!!!!!
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GO BANANA!
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No really --- Go VILLA!!
Aston Villa...
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06-16-2005, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by blah
Originally Posted by RC45
Go VILLA!!!!!
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GO BANANA!
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Ralph Wiggum is my hero!
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06-16-2005, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 666fast
Originally Posted by SFDMALEX
Sheeet ladies, looks like the Ferraris are fast down in France today.
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Just had a look at the live timing and scoring, the Ferrari's are running roughly 5 seconds slower than the Vettes. The Vettes, are running almost 5 seconds slower than the Astons.
Funny part is, the Corvette team is being accused of sandbagging qualifying. Makes sense, since Dehan said he doesn't care about qualifying times.
Go Corvette!
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Man that cant be right, 10sec difference from fast to slow, thats fucking huge!
SOmething smells fishy mate.......Vettes 5sec slower then Aston? Ferrari even slower then that? Just not long ago the had all the top spots(this morning was reading about it).
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