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Kissyface · 07-20-2008, 09:32 AM

Oh, the pure joy of seeing Lewis overtake Felipe then Piquet for the lead when all seemed lost. It's not over yet but I couldn't resist an impulse post of sheer awe.

yellky · 07-20-2008, 09:35 AM

i messed up - HAM didnt pit under SC

anyways, what a race!
PIQ 2nd!
HEI 4th!
KUB 7th :/

xecutioner · 07-20-2008, 09:36 AM

glocks crash was damn scarey and its good to hear that hes ok but damn that was crazy

lewis and mclaren were way to fast for everyone else in today races, a few races back it was mclaren struggling and ferrari so much quicker, its been reversed now with mclaren going really quick and ferrari struggling really bad

nice team orders by mclaren to let lewis threw which kinda sucked but like i said lewis was to quick for everyone and had a good win but if leiws doesnt take out this years world title then i will be very dissappointed with him bc hes a class above anyone else atm until ferrari get there shit together

piquet haha wow great run and very well done in doing better then alonso

massa ummm haha i dunno wats up with this guy and ferrari in the last 2 races//he basically gave the race to lewis at the end and thats it

heidfeld was great in this race..i hope to see more of that

hiekki drove like usual with lil moments in the race where he was quick while lewis was in the pits

kimmi? haha same thing with this guy..i dunno wats up with him n ferrari...ferrari need to take there heads out of there asses or they will be the 3rd quick team after BMW

lol alonso's day was funny..hes lil fight with vettel was a classic and watchin alonso spin was great to

if lewis crashed in a race i reckon that the 2 idiots in ITV would of cried and left the commentary booth

next race has to be one of the most boring tracks in all of F1 racing, get rid of hungary plz

by the way thank god for safety cars which bring back life to a boring race

Jona · 07-20-2008, 09:43 AM

Heikki just walked past a finnish reporter... "I have nothing to say. I'm not allowed to race for real." (HAM "passing" him)

He was ANGRY.

yellky · 07-20-2008, 09:47 AM

yeah, i pray for rain in hungaroring (or else i'm not gonna watch that boring race

)

yellky · 07-20-2008, 09:55 AM

provisional results:
(should we expect any changes/penalties - VET for fighting with ALO out of pits?, McLaren for team orders?)

Pos :: No :: Driver :: Team :: Laps :: Time/Retired :: Grid :: Pts
1 :: 22 :: Lewis Hamilton :: McLaren-Mercedes :: 67 :: Winner :: 1 :: 10
2 :: 6 :: Nelsinho Piquet :: Renault :: 67 :: +5.5 secs :: 17 :: 8
3 :: 2 :: Felipe Massa :: Ferrari :: 67 :: +9.3 secs :: 2 :: 6
4 :: 3 :: Nick Heidfeld :: BMW Sauber :: 67 :: +9.8 secs :: 12 :: 5
5 :: 23 :: Heikki Kovalainen :: McLaren-Mercedes :: 67 :: +12.4 secs :: 3 :: 4
6 :: 1 :: Kimi Räikkönen :: Ferrari :: 67 :: +14.4 secs :: 6 :: 3
7 :: 4 :: Robert Kubica :: BMW Sauber :: 67 :: +22.6 secs :: 7 :: 2
8 :: 15 :: Sebastian Vettel :: STR-Ferrari :: 67 :: +33.2 secs :: 9 :: 1
9 :: 11 :: Jarno Trulli :: Toyota :: 67 :: +37.1 secs :: 4
10 :: 7 :: Nico Rosberg :: Williams-Toyota :: 67 :: +37.6 secs :: 13
11 :: 5 :: Fernando Alonso :: Renault :: 67 :: +38.6 secs :: 5
12 :: 14 :: Sebastien Bourdais :: STR-Ferrari :: 67 :: +39.1 secs :: 15
13 :: 9 :: David Coulthard :: Red Bull-Renault :: 67 :: +54.9 secs :: 10
14 :: 21 :: Giancarlo Fisichella :: Force India-Ferrari :: 67 :: +59.0 secs :: 20
15 :: 8 :: Kazuki Nakajima :: Williams-Toyota :: 67 :: +60.0 secs :: 16
16 :: 20 :: Adrian Sutil :: Force India-Ferrari :: 67 :: +69.4 secs :: 19
17 :: 16 :: Jenson Button :: Honda :: 66 :: +1 Lap :: 14
Ret :: 17 :: Rubens Barrichello :: Honda :: 50 :: +17 Laps :: 18
Ret :: 10 :: Mark Webber :: Red Bull-Renault :: 40 :: +27 Laps :: 8
Ret :: 12 :: Timo Glock :: Toyota :: 35 :: Accident :: 11

toffytofik · 07-20-2008, 09:56 AM

Coulthard should've left before the season start. Apparently he's too old to see other cars on the track. Or too mad?

Kissyface · 07-20-2008, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Jona

Heikki just walked past a finnish reporter... "I have nothing to say. I'm not allowed to race for real." (HAM "passing" him)

He was ANGRY.

It seemed to me Lewis was visibly restrained on the podium compared to his usual victory jubilation and in the press conference he tap danced somewhat unsuccessfully around the insinuation of team orders by Peter Windsor. It is my belief Lewis would rather have raced Heikki for the position and been more satisfied finishing second or third. It isn't the first time "team persuasion" has been used and I'm sure it has got to be a bitter pill to swallow for everyone involved who has a conscience. What would happen if Lewis refused the open door around Heikki? What if Heikki refused to let him pass? It's all very dodgy and I don't like it. Nonetheless, Hamilton did pass Massa and Piquet fairly which was exciting, but there has got to be some serious tension in the McLaren garage now. The team principals hold all the cards and are going to do what's in their best interest as a matter of instinct sometimes to their eventual detriment. It will be interesting to see the fallout in the days to come.

On another subject, Alonso did just as I thought he would. Tried too hard and got outshined by his less experienced teammate. He is his own worst enemy and I will be disappointed if he gets a better drive next year, he doesn't deserve it.

I was pleased to see Kubica get a good start. Glock's unfortunate accident was the wild card that made all the difference for several drivers better or worse.

This race is going to take some serious study to get a full account of everyone's performance but safe to say for now that McLaren were ready for this one and Ferrari were not. I believe the Prancing Horse will fare better in Hungary.

I really like the Official Formula 1 website results archive but one thing that would be nice to see in the Pit Stop and Qualification listings is to have a notation for the tire compound.

styla21 · 07-20-2008, 11:28 AM

Kissy. You just posted more eloquently, everything I was about to type and more.

Frustrating race as a BMW fan.

Glad Glock is ok.

I didn't really understand the ITV commentators putting shit on Massa; he still ended up with a podium. Drivers have to draw a line over how hard to fight - as it can end in a DNF if they get too close.... As experienced in this race, and every other race of the season.

Do you guys have anything further concerning Heiki's orders to move over? I.e his comment, or others commentary on it? Interesting..

xecutioner · 07-20-2008, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by styla21

Kissy. You just posted more eloquently, everything I was about to type and more.

Frustrating race as a BMW fan.

Glad Glock is ok.

I didn't really understand the ITV commentators putting shit on Massa; he still ended up with a podium. Drivers have to draw a line over how hard to fight - as it can end in a DNF if they get too close.... As experienced in this race, and every other race of the season.

Do you guys have anything further concerning Heiki's orders to move over? I.e his comment, or others commentary on it? Interesting..

if massa was british then they wouldnt of talked about him like they did

i would of loved to see heiki and lewis race

its not the 1st time we have seen him move over this year

i remember the days when ppl where talking about this when ferrari where doing it

i guess mclaren is next

blue8 · 07-20-2008, 02:44 PM

Although I feel bad that Glock has been in another horrible accident this year, it really was the turning point of a boring race. Once the safety car went out, things got more interesting (but not much really). Even the press conference guy admitted that!

Hamilton passing Kovalainen easily did seem suspicious. Next round will be the Hungarian GP and as you remember that was McLaren's meltdown moment lat year with the qualifying pit-stop fiasco. Could it happen again? Team orders or not, I hope the Finn does better in the coming races (but it must be hard when he's clearly no. 2). I got this from another forum. I can't confirm the source.

Kovalainen swallowed the team order (translated from his Finnish interview)
20.07.2008 19:45

Heikki Kovalainen admitted that McLaren said to him that he should let Hambo in front of him on the 51st lap. Kovalainen wasn't angry though.

- It was clear to me that he was faster than me and I couldn't have kept him behind me for many laps. Lewis had a chance to win the race so I have nothing to complain about. I just have to get my own speed better. It's the only medicine, Kovalainen said to MTV3

I'm bothered by McLaren's pace. How did they get so much pace almost suddenly?

I desperately wish for rain in Hungary.

gobs3z · 07-20-2008, 02:51 PM

I just need to vent on how dumb of a move it was for Massa to think taking the outside line would be a good idea to keep Hami behind him, and then Piquet makes the same mistake. Just a little aggravated.

SHIZL · 07-20-2008, 03:04 PM

whats up with heikkis car why is his finishes not reflecting his teamates, hamilton was fast there today there was no stopping him his pace was unreal, i think if it stays dry in hungary massa will take it what happend to kimi ?

5vz-fe · 07-20-2008, 04:05 PM

I am quite disappointed. Ferrari seems to be not improving as fast as the other teams.

Pokiou · 07-20-2008, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by blue8

I'm bothered by McLaren's pace. How did they get so much pace almost suddenly?

I desperately wish for rain in Hungary.

The same way ferrari dominated the last 5 yeats mate.. Its now McLarens time to shine

oh and Hamilton is a awesome driver!