Blue Devil Vette to be produced - now called Sting Ray

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by HeilSvenska You got it! Corvettes and Vipers don't compete in a same "class" as say... between a 3 series and an A4, but they are both still competing for the ultimate American performance car title. Well, Chrysler's trying hard to market it as a race car if anything. You should know what ACR stands for. American Club Racer? It was designed to be a race car for amateur (and more) racers who might drive up to a track (with a support car, I guess), have run at a stock car category in a race, and drive it back home. Webster's defines "King of the Hill" as Corvette's always been the King of the Hill. Corvette lineup in general. GM and Chrysler's been pushing Corvettes and Vipers to be at the top of the American performance car pantheon, but we all know Corvettes always come out on top. (for a good reason) And as the new range topper, the ZR1 is indeed King of the Hill.

King of the hill? Well, until the ACR and ZR-1 are on the street, the title still remains in the hands of Ford The chassis is far superior to that in the C6 Z-whatevers, or the SRT-10 ACR etc. .... power may be up on both cars compared to the GT, and the viper has the added benefit of "n/a" motor... and "feels" about as fast as a GT, perhaps slightly quicker in a roll from 50-100 by a fraction.

Of the bunch, Ford were the only to go with a proper mid-engined layout too in the end, the GT became the first mass production American Exotic car (saleen's aren't mass produced, and neither were Vector's) . People claimed the GT market would tank... but as it turns out, you still can't find a low miles car for below MSRP!

Back to the topic at hand.... can the ZR-1 be compared to the ACR? They aren't the same kind of car, aimed at the same kind of person; but the comparisons will happen inevitably.... the GT2 and GT3 are aimed at different buyers as well.

[HeilSvenska]

Originally Posted by nthfinity King of the hill? Well, until the ACR and ZR-1 are on the street, the title still remains in the hands of Ford The chassis is far superior to that in the C6 Z-whatevers, or the SRT-10 ACR etc. .... power may be up on both cars compared to the GT, and the viper has the added benefit of "n/a" motor... and "feels" about as fast as a GT, perhaps slightly quicker in a roll from 50-100 by a fraction.

Well. I didn't mention the Ford GT, because it's a one-off special. The same reason I didn't mention the Saleen S7. etc...

Viper and Corvette, though. As long as Dodge and Chevy exist, I doubt they'll ever go away.

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by HeilSvenska Well. I didn't mention the Ford GT, because it's a one-off special. The same reason I didn't mention the Saleen S7. etc... Viper and Corvette, though. As long as Dodge and Chevy exist, I doubt they'll ever go away.

if by "one off" you mean nearly 4000 of them, then yeah, its "one off" (more produced then planned ZR-1 or ACR production BTW)

[SnakeBitten]

Well Im not gonna read "War and Peace" revised and lengthened by RC45 But I gather by the blah blah blah that you told me a thing or two...Is that the gist lol...

Anyway SRT themselves when asked about the ZR1 responded that they aint worried and had something for it...Tah dah the ACR.....Bottomline is these cars will be pitted against each other by the mags regardless of whatever you or I feel is right.....They are comparable peformancewise...Remember they tested the GT3 vs the Z06 quite a few times eventhough by your standards they should not be compared.....

As for they guy looking up in the dictionary for King of the hill LOL.....Dont overthink things....King of the hill has always been about performance with these two...Not cup holders, or interior fit an finish or how hedonistically they excel......Performance period....The C6 Z06 took that title convincingly as it outperformed the Viper...Now the 08 Viper took the title back...Oh but wait...They shouldnt be compared right??? No one told the masses or the magazines....bottomline these two will always be linked to each other and thus will always be compared......

[RC45]

Originally Posted by SnakeBitten Well Im not gonna read "War and Peace" revised and lengthened by RC45 But I gather by the blah blah blah that you told me a thing or two...Is that the gist lol... Anyway SRT themselves when asked about the ZR1 responded that they aint worried and had something for it...Tah dah the ACR.....Bottomline is these cars will be pitted against each other by the mags regardless of whatever you or I feel is right.....They are comparable peformancewise...Remember they tested the GT3 vs the Z06 quite a few times eventhough by your standards they should not be compared..... As for they guy looking up in the dictionary for King of the hill LOL.....Dont overthink things....King of the hill has always been about performance with these two...Not cup holders, or interior fit an finish or how hedonistically they excel......Performance period....The C6 Z06 took that title convincingly as it outperformed the Viper...Now the 08 Viper took the title back...Oh but wait...They shouldnt be compared right??? No one told the masses or the magazines....bottomline these two will always be linked to each other and thus will always be compared......

Wrong - they wont be compared "by magazines" - because the cars will not be a performance match in a street test - the ACR would lose thereby making for bad press for Dodge - there is no point in comparing the 2.

None.

Period.

And again you have proven you are nothing but a troll as you are unale to debate the facts - you have none to present.

You refuse to debate facts and just come to MW to spew tripe and cause trouble.

Post reported as "troll" - until such time as you can actually have a sensible debate it would probably be best if you could be banned from posting in the US car forums.

Luck for you no such option exists

I wonder if you troll in person?

[nthfinity]

Originally Posted by SnakeBitten Well Im not gonna read "War and Peace" revised and lengthened by RC45 But I gather by the blah blah blah that you told me a thing or two...Is that the gist lol...

Don't want to respond to him w/out responding to what he said, that is useless trolling. You have opinions we may agree and disagree on; lets not just stir the pot, and name call. Thanks

[SnakeBitten]

Originally Posted by nthfinity Don't want to respond to him w/out responding to what he said, that is useless trolling. You have opinions we may agree and disagree on; lets not just stir the pot, and name call. Thanks

So wait let me get this straight...He basically starts name calling by stating that Im stupid with the "brain at room temperature" comment then calls me a "fanboy" because my viewpoint is different than his but Im stirring the pot, name calling, the bad guy and a troll...LMAO....And now he states I should be banned becasue I dont want to waste my time arguing with him??....You guys are really funny......Look ban me if you want I could careless I assure you This is basically the way he moderated in the past..Agree with me or else...I dont care to get into an ignorant discussion with RC45 because thats where it always goes in my experience with him...You call it trolling I call it not wasting my time with someone that cant understand a simple thing like a Vette/Viper comparo or has the ability to abstain for condesending rebuttals...If he gets at me on that level I will respond in kind....Ive got nothing against you Nthinfinity but try to be fair...Since you asked Ill respond...He can take it however he wants

Think about it folks...They have only been going toe to toe, being compared from every major magazine all around the world since the Vipers inception..I can show magazine article after article with Vette/Viper yet acccording to RC45 it wont happen with the 08 ACR vs ZR1...Not to mention the Gen II ACR got compared to the Z06/Porsche/Mustang etc....Cars of similar performance will always be compared regardless of if they are in the same class or not....Performance is performance...This is the ultimate Vette vs the ultimate Viper...Showdown inevitable regardless of class-ism ..

It just doesnt make sence to argue with someone that doesnt see the regular Viper is bare bones street car but still gets compared to Porsches/Z06 etc.....The ACR is still a STREET car...More of a street car than the GT3 as it doesnt come with a rollcage[Ive read the GT3 comes with a roll cage correct me if im wrong] It can have all the creature comforts of the regular Viper if the owners chooses...A simple look at old magazine will tell you who will win the overall title between the two...The Vette duh...Or any car compared to the Viper...the Mustang GT500 won against the Viper eventhought it got crushed in performance.....The Subjective will always go to the Vette but they will be compared regardless of what RC feels...Some of you should think for yourselves...There is much history that tells you they will be compared in the magazines.....To quote RC "anyone with a brain thats room temperature can see that".....

[HeilSvenska]

Originally Posted by nthfinity if by "one off" you mean nearly 4000 of them, then yeah, its "one off" (more produced then planned ZR-1 or ACR production BTW)

Yes, but it's not like Ford's ever going to make Ford GT Mk. II. I meant to say that Chevrolet defined itself with the Corvette as Dodge hopes to do with the Viper. And they keep making new ones to have that on-going halo effect. It'd be great if Ford does that too, but it doesn't.

Originally Posted by SnakeBitten If I dont ever see a ZR1 vs ACR comparo Ill come back here make a post and say you were right....Until then sit back grab a beer and exchange ideas...Your pressure will go down and you might actually get someone to agree with you..

Will you let this go? Even if some magazine does ZR1 vs ACR comparo, it's not like they're right in doing it. I mean, Motor Trend's a popular magazine (I don't know why) but it doesn't mean that it's right, i mean, heck, they've been giving COTY titles to Civics and Camrys.

And you're trying to argue with RC. You should know by now that it's pointless. Not that he's just unstoppable, you should also know that he's often right.