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Old 08-18-2004, 01:24 PM   #1
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Copied from this months EVO.

Sorry i didn't scan it, my scanners not working at the moment, but I think its a very interesting articel so had to put it up

POWER OF M

The M5's all-new V10 engine promises to be very special indeed. Jeff Daniels looks inside

"We're looking at the tour de force here. More specifically, we're looking at a 5-litre V10 with an output of 500bhp. That's naturally aspirated of course. BMW doesen't like turbocharging, except for diesels. So, for the required output of 500bhp, BMW needed a 5-litre engine which in turn dictated a V10. Not a V8 because the cylinders would have been too big - BMW likes the idea of 500cc per pot - and not a V12 because all other things being equal, a V10 is shorter, stiffer and has usually fewer internal power losses than a V12, which is why today's best F1 engines are V10. At the same time, a V10 has more piston area than a V8, making it easier to achieve specific output power so long as you design the engine to withstand being revved. The new V10 (official designation S85) peaks at 7700rpm with a red line at 8200rpm.

The alloy-blocked S85 is a 90-degree engine. Forget all you heard about 72 degrees being the mechanical balance ideal for a V10 (being one-fifth of 360 degrees). It is, but acording to BMW, when you have this many cylinders, and so long as you get everything else right, it dosen't matter. The V10 doesen't have balancer shafts. It doesen't have clever engine mounts. Apparently it's smooth enough. What else? Forget spreading the inlet and exhasut valves wide apart for maximum valve area and optimum output. The V10 valves have just 23 degrees between them (13 degrees on the inlet side and 11 on the exhaust). It creates a package that will actually fit the 5 series engine bay, and the valves are plenty big enough because this is a big bore engine - 92mm bore, only 75.2mm stroke for an actual capacity of 4999cc) and the gas flow at high speed is strong because there is no nonsense here about asymmetric ports with high swirl and control valves. Each pair of ports is mirror-image identical and finish machined, and the hell with the expense. It's no recipe for a low torque peak and sure enough, the 520Nm (383lb ft) peak falls at 6100rpm. The inlet camshafts are chain driven, the exhasut camshafts by bevel scissor gear from the inlets. All four camshafts carry VANOS variable valve timing actuators, with a new higher pressure hydraulic system for faster response.

The short stroke ensures the mean piston speed is barely more than that of the old M5 V8 (20.7m/sec at 8200rpm, if you are a purist). That old engine, of more or less the same capacity, delivered "only" 400bhp at 6600rpm. At 240kg fully dressed, the V10 weighs within spitting distance of the V8.

A contribution to the high output comes from a 12:1 compression ratio which in turn calls for some special knock protection. The S85 is the first engine to be equipped with a "full house" in-cylinder ionisation detector system, using the spark plug as sensor. It can pick up both misfire and any danger of detonation, cylinder by cylinder. All of this is just one aspect of the engine's highly sophisticated electronics. Everything is optimised for crisp response, one of the main factors behind BMW's dislike of turbocharging for spark ignition engines.

A lot of the electronics, needless to say is bound up with the fuel injection system. The actual induction is interesting: two big plenum chambers conceal the ten short intake trumpets, five per side, with the individual drive by wire throttle butterflies. here again it's never mind the expense: individual valves give the best perfromance (in particular the best repsponse) so there they are, even if it means fitting ten individual idel speed control valves.

Everywhere you look there are interesting but complex (and hence expensive) features. You could go on and on about this engine, but i think you get the picture. It's going to be great."

Power/Torque Graph i found:







taken from HERE
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Old 08-18-2004, 01:35 PM   #2
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Dang, I'm sorry you took the time to type it all when I already scanned it and posted in the V8 vs V10 vs V12 topic!

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Old 08-18-2004, 01:42 PM   #3
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ahhh, i'm obviously not alert enough

copied most of it off their website tho so not alls lost
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Old 08-18-2004, 08:00 PM   #4
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Thanks anyway mindgam, seems like this engine is going to be super high tech and extremely responsive 8)
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Old 08-18-2004, 08:58 PM   #5
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Damn you TT! I just spend five minutes looking at your sig.
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Old 08-19-2004, 07:37 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by schnell318
Thanks anyway mindgam, seems like this engine is going to be super high tech and extremely responsive 8)
indeed, seems pretty amazing how they manage to fit a 5 litre V10 under the bonnet of a 5 series and yet it still produces 100bhp per litre.
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Old 08-20-2004, 11:32 PM   #7
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Nice torque curve. The max torque is attained a bit late, but that's just fine when it's such a "racing tuned" engine. They had to use a high red line to get the power they (and we) wanted.

I love that they have taken such an straight forward approach to it. 90 degrees, instead of 72, symmetrical ports instead of the asymmetrical ports most R&D departments come up with, and so on. Just short stroke high reving power.
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Old 08-21-2004, 01:39 PM   #8
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I've driven an E39 M5 (400bhp) and that had some serious grunt. This thing, though, all 500bhp of it, is going to be insane. Cant wait
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