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Old 01-04-2004, 12:30 AM   #16
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I think they did pass that law. Remember in that Top Gear episode with the jag/volvo guy, he mentioned something about new eu requirements on crumble zone for the pedestrians and the us requirements on protecting unbelted drivers by moving the front windshield up and forward.

So, eventually the jap car manufacturers will take over the industry when the only legal design is a cube.
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Old 01-04-2004, 07:58 PM   #17
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Yeah, I've heard about this as well and for as far as I can recall these regulations will be here in a while.

Although it might be a setback for car design in the very near future I agree with the editor of the Dutch car magazine Autovisie who said car manufacturers are creative enough to work their way around these rules and come up with good looking cars that follow the regulations. He compared it too the US regulations in the 70s that required cars to be able to withstand crashes at low speeds without damage. Immediately after these regulations took effect it resulted in cars with hideous rubber bumpers stuck to them which destroyed the looks. Very soon after that car designers tackled these problems and designed beautiful cars that complied with the regulations.

It's going to be interesting I think. We might see more mid-engined or rear-engined cars and more flat (boxer) engines or bonnets that lift up a few inches a fraction of a second before the car hits a pedestrian.
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Old 01-09-2004, 04:48 PM   #18
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Right, here we go! I would love to say that I did a lot of research on the issue, but that would be a lie as EVO has done a lot of work for me! However I have added some of my own opinions, and also some links to relevant sites! So this is a summary of what their (quite long) article says (I make no apologies for the length, as this is an important issue):

Firstly to clear up my own question of, ‘Is it even Law yet?’ The answer is currently no, however the new safety rules are hitting us in the form of a regulation. This without out going into the complexities of EU Law means that there will be an outline of the criteria for the new tests. Then each member state will have to implement these tests before a deadline which will be in the directive. Anyway, enough of that, back to what really matters!

Firstly, the new tests will not completely change the way cars look. So you can all breath a sigh of relief! The first stage of the regulations is due to come into force by 2005. The finer details are still to be completed. Such as whether there will be any exemption for small volume makers, which would save the skin of TVR, Morgan and such like. As it stands though, they still have to comply.

The key words in the directive are: Cars must have frontal structures that ‘mitigate (lessen) the severity of injuries to pedestrians…….’ This is the general concept, and will be introduced in two stages, the first we will see in 2005, but in 2010 much stricter tests will come into force.

The problems that designers are facing revolve around the engine and associated organs such as intercoolers! 80% of all fatal car accidents are cased by head injuries (HI). In order to reduce this, the 2005+ test will require roughly 60-70mm of clearance between the highest ‘hard point’ or the engine and the bonnet. While in 2010+ this distance will increase to around 100mm!

So what have the clever designers come up with to counter-act this problem? Well, quite a lot actually! Swedish specialists ‘Autoliv’ have come up with the “active bonnet” which put simply, is a bonnet based on the same principle as an airbag. At the point of impact the bonnet raises to the stipulated 100mm in under 70 milliseconds. To find out more, go here: http://www.autoliv.com/ (then goto: Research and Dev/ Some projects/ Pedestrian Protection)

The designers have taken this issue of safety and run with it, coming up with some of their own ideas. Such as lowering the bonnet latch to remove it from the path of a victims knee. Removing all the electronics associated with Xenon lights, and move them to the rear of the engine bay, leaving only the glass at the front. There is also talk of mounting the cooling fans and radiators at an angle so they don’t just act as an obstacle. Some designers are even questioning the need for conventional bonnets! I would be very interested to see what they have in mind! (These ideas are from Arup, Advanced Technology Grp)

So what will be seriously affected? Answer the SUV (oh what a shame!) Russell Carr has assured us that the next Lotus Elise will not change too much.

However this is just the start! ‘Urban Safety’ is a hot topic for the EU. They (ETSC) want to reduce pedestrian deaths by 50% in 2010! To do this some drastic changes are needed! The physical restriction of a cars speed in an urban environment is a very real possibility!


I hope this clears up some issues! In short, trust the designers, they are a clever bunch and will work around any new regulations!

I think that will do for now lol
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Old 01-09-2004, 05:59 PM   #19
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I think it's ridiculous, the only time I hear something from the EU is when they want to ban somethig or restrict something.
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Old 01-12-2004, 04:49 PM   #20
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Yeh I regret to say that I have heard about all this aswell. Its not as extreme (yet) as having all cars as boxes, but really its to have a bigger gap between the engine and the bonnet so in a pedestrian crash their head doesn't smash against the block.

You can't criticse the safety aspect, but then who is going to buy a box on wheels, even if it is powerful?? Lets just hope that the designers find a way around it. I think it's safe to say that we may never see another car as good looking as the DB7
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