American muscle or exotic power!!

[SFDMALEX]

Originally Posted by godspeed06 oh yea, and here is a thread from a porsche board comparing the GT3 to the Z06. considering the amount of bias you would have to expect because it is a porsche forum many of the members show a lot of respect for the Z06 against the GT3. it is a good read, as long as you neglect some of the overly biased porsche owners. http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...threadid=88050

Hey I have a lot of respect for the Z06 and the C5, they are great cars period. But you make it sound as this superior automobile which kicks all the ass it see's.

I see were you are going with the track matter though. I downloaded lots of vids were I saw the Z06 blast by everyone, but not once, even once I saw a STOCK vette beat anything!!!

Now this goes back to Stock Vs. Modded which is tottaly unfair. Have you ever thought of what a modded GT3 could do?

The stock z06 aint much. You need to put in a couple of grand in the brakes, a couple of grand in the suspension then we're talking.

[SFDMALEX]

Ohh and if your Z06 is "SUCH A GREAT HANDLING CAR" why was it placed by Road&Track(American Magazine) in 5th place in "The Best Handling Car For Road and Track" competiton???

Want to see who it competed against???

Place 1st- Ferrari 360 2nd- Lotus Elise 3rd- 911TT 4th- Evo7 5th- VETTE z06 6th- BOxster 7th- M3 Coupe


What happend??? I thought it was supposed to beat Porsches and Ferraris ass.


Credit Goes to Road&Track June 2002 Volume 53 Number 10

[godspeed06]

Now this goes back to Stock Vs. Modded which is tottaly unfair. Have you ever thought of what a modded GT3 could do? The stock z06 aint much. You need to put in a couple of grand in the brakes, a couple of grand in the suspension then we're talking.

i don't know if you read the thread i posted or not, but they talked about this. if you go stock vs. stock it pretty much goes to the driver. if you go modded vs. modded the z06 would rape it and still be cheaper than the GT3. and to put it bluntly, as far as performance goes with money in mind, the corvette does kick ass.

edit. left this out. => american magazines suck ass. their drivers blow because they are usually just the editors. most of the time the tracks are in shitty condition or there is something wrong with the cars and they neglect to mention it or print it in fine print on some arbitrary page. they usually don't drive the cars to the limit. i'm not saying the cars in the article aren't better than the vette and i'm not saying that they are worse than the vette. i'm saying you shouldn't trust american magazines for comparos and times.

[SFDMALEX]

Originally Posted by godspeed06 Now this goes back to Stock Vs. Modded which is tottaly unfair. Have you ever thought of what a modded GT3 could do? The stock z06 aint much. You need to put in a couple of grand in the brakes, a couple of grand in the suspension then we're talking. i don't know if you read the thread i posted or not, but they talked about this. if you go stock vs. stock it pretty much goes to the driver. if you go modded vs. modded the z06 would rape it and still be cheaper than the GT3. and to put it bluntly, as far as performance goes with money in mind, the corvette does kick ass. edit. left this out. => american magazines suck ass. their drivers blow because they are usually just the editors. most of the time the tracks are in shitty condition or there is something wrong with the cars and they neglect to mention it or print it in fine print on some arbitrary page. they usually don't drive the cars to the limit. i'm not saying the cars in the article aren't better than the vette and i'm not saying that they are worse than the vette. i'm saying you shouldn't trust american magazines for comparos and times.

One- Are we talking about performance or value? Damn, on value the Z06 will beat many. I just want to know what we are talking about. If your talking about what you get for the money then the Vette wins. Or are we talking about cars in the same class without getting money involved in this?

And what are you saying about Stock Vs. Stock is all up do the driver? From what you are saying then, ALL CARS that are stock are identical correct? Thanks....I did not know that :shock:

And a modded vette will beat anything right? Rape it hard right?

Okay bring your Vette...I want to see how it will do against these slightly modded Ferraris.

The Koenig 550 790BHP
0-100 km/h 3,5 sec.
0-200 km/h 10,9 sec.
standing 1/4 mile 10,5 sec.
top speed 350 km/h



Or Lets bring on the Koening 360
600BHP
0-100 km/h 3,5 sec.
0-200 km/h 10,9 sec.
standing 1/4 mile 10,5 sec.
top speed 335 km/h
driving performance depends on gear ratio



Do you want me to bring some Porsche Gambellas in here? You know to race the ass rapper modded Vette.

[TT]

LOL, I serious doubt a Vette would be able to rape many cars in its class on real twisty roads or race tracks with something more than a couple of straight lines.. stock or modded...

The Vette is a fast car of course, fast from a standing start (although many AWD cars would beat it), fast on those strange and useless race we always see shooted at night in videos around the net, with rolling start... but not fast or dinamically superior on "real" roads or race tracks from what I can read... the fact is that in Europe and USA there are different standards, so every time such discussions don't go anywhere

[corvette97]

SFDMALEX, can you buy a ferrari 360or a porsche 911 turbo or at least a gallardo???
well i tried to put mi point this way if you can buy a ferrari/porsche/lambo its obious that you have a lot of money and you'll get a awesome power and handling, but if yoiu can't buy a ferrari/porsche/lambo its obious that you don't have a large amount of money, but maybe you CAN buy corvette

Exotic for rich, and american iron for poor?

yeah that's true cuz' if you cant buy a exotic maybe you can buy a corvette, buy anyway i know that if you buy a corvette you are not gonna get a large amount of handling but a great deal of power, and if you buy exotic you are gonna get both+luxury, but lets say that you are not gonna be driving around a town like i f you are on a track (only if you a a stupid idiot), and if you are driving on a highway you don't need to much handling, so a corvette would be a great car, and if you going on a road that as many curves a axotic would be ok, so fo mi CORVETTE would be nice! (i dont talk too goof of things that i can't buy i'll stick to my american iron for poors as you said(for now)

[yg60m]

Power is not all, just see what a Honda NSX-R can do on a track even give a Murcielago some trick ... (reference : Best Motoring Superbattle 2002)

[corvette97]

SFDMALEX, read this

this are some moded americans that would trow the shit out of your dream cars!


CORVETTE LINGENFELTER twin turbo:
UP TO 800 HP
0-60: 1.97sec
1/4 mile: 8.95sec

VIPER VENOM 800:
800HP
0-60: 2.4 sec
1/4 mile: 8.97sec

and the list goes on and on with the VIPER VENOM 1000!! 1000hp, FASTEST CAR ON A 1/4 MILE, MALLET, AND a big list

and if you are gonna mention MODED cars, just don't put you exotics on this list cuz' even a skyline with 1000hp would kill a axotic, a supra can do that, so don't talk shits cuz' exotics dont go well on the moded division!

but thanx for your opinion it's really cool

[TT]

Do those cars have front steering wheels?

The quarter mile means nothing to me...

[Fleischmann]

Difficult to say...but I'd go for 'exotic' coz the Vanquish is in that group. That doesn' mean however that I don't like all those oldschool Mustangs and Chargers from the 60'.

[yg60m]

Yes totally agree with TT and brembo, i am not sure a dragster would be faster than an F1 on lap track... even with a NASA engine.

[godspeed06]

And what are you saying about Stock Vs. Stock is all up do the driver? From what you are saying then, ALL CARS that are stock are identical correct? Thanks....I did not know that And a modded vette will beat anything right? Rape it hard right? Okay bring your Vette...I want to see how it will do against these slightly modded Ferraris.

stock vs. stock means stock vette vs. stock GT3. what are you a dumbass? and corvette97 already cleared up your "modded ferrari" shit. lingenfelter vette for 90 grand runs a sub 9 quarter mile and can still handle as well as if not better than the Z06.

LOL, I serious doubt a Vette would be able to rape many cars in its class on real twisty roads or race tracks with something more than a couple of straight lines.. stock or modded...

first of all. try to name some other cars in this "class" of yours. there aren't any. classes are defined by prices and there is nothing worth 50 grand that can beat it. i think you foreign guys sometimes have the wrong impression about the corvette which is what i have been trying to clear up. you guys think corvette and immediately what comes to mind is "American Muscle" and only straight line performance which might have been true in the 60s but as far as the vette goes is incorrect now. the Z06 is an excellent handling car on twisty tracks, winding roads, whatever. you guys really have too narrow of a mindset about this car. i thought if you read the GT3 thread you would have realized how well the vette handles. its not just a straight line car. in fact its not a straight line car at all. its made to be taken onto the track, and not just one's with long straights :roll:

[TT]

classes are defined by prices

Ah, usually for me the sportcars class includes cars from 15'000 grand up to 80'000 or more...

the Z06 is an excellent handling car on twisty tracks, winding roads, whatever. you guys really have too narrow of a mindset about this car

I agree, the Vette improved over the past 40 years, as did European cars.. the gap is smaller, but still there IMO

[godspeed06]

Ah, usually for me the sportcars class includes cars from 15'000 grand up to 80'000 or more...

:shock: WOW! i have never heard of that. you realize you are putting the honda civic in the same class with the viper or faster. umm... no. classes are defined by both function and price. for example : honda sedan and nissan sedan = both sedan hence same function and similar in price so they are in the same class, honda civic and ford focus = same class, Dodge Ram and Ford F-150 = same class, Mazda Miata and Dodge Viper = not the same class, and this should not come as a shock to you. its common sense. you dont compare a miata to a viper or 911. the price keeps you from doing that. sorry... but 15,000 to 80,000 and beyond is just absurd. its a good thing you're not a magazine editor. what would we see next... Ford GT vs. VW Gti

[TT]

I don't mean "EVERY" 15 grand car...

What I mean is that a VX220 Turbo can be pinned against an Impreza WRX STI and, Honda NSX and Corvette...

The VXT was already pinned to the Modena and wasn't destroyed at all... dynamics and feelings are more important than HP, price or value...