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gtx28 · 09-02-2005, 12:04 AM

So theres almost no fuel left in this part of the state. I filled up a few days ago and have enough fuel for a few weeks. But almost every gas station in the area is out of fuel. I found two stations that had super premium, other than that nadda. Unless there are some changes quick this could have a really bad outcome. Apparently there are almost no fuel cans either Walmart seems to have none and none of the auto parts places for 200 mi have any. I sure hope that the truck stops still have diesel other wise were going to be out of food i would guess in a few days. Who knows what will happen though. Anyone else having big issues???

RC45 · 09-02-2005, 12:18 AM

Well - the gas is piped to you guys into distribution centres, then trucked from their to your stations.

The pipeline is not pumping - and the refineries are not refining.

Thanks the tree huggers for preventing the building of new refineries and expanding oil drilling.

Getyour Mad Max video out and take a refresher course on creative gasoline sourcing skillz

T-Bird · 09-02-2005, 12:22 AM

npoe were all good about 100 miles south are an assload of Refineries and reserves so I'm sure we'll be good for a while. And if it comes down to it I'll have to buy Racing fuel which ATM is only about 60 cents more than Premium at the local stations (available alot here being right on a huge Chain-O-Lakes and all the boats use it since they race unlimited class here every weekend and there are a few Airfields around here that I have bought it from before. And if that doesn't work I'll drive one of my Dad's Diesel trucks from work and make my own Bio-Diesel.

nchs09 · 09-02-2005, 12:52 AM

look @ atlanta and then cry

graywolf624 · 09-02-2005, 07:20 AM

It comes down to morons hording gas by buying tanks to fill them up.

TransAm · 09-02-2005, 08:10 AM

I might well fill the car up with gas today (1/3 of a tank in it) and my 2 gal container in the garage which is normally for the mower.

I am on vacation all next week but living out of town there is no way I could get to work if the pumps run dry here. I don't have a bicycle and its 20 miles if I did.

Time for a bit of teleworking on a grand scale, for those who can, methinks.

gtx28 · 09-03-2005, 04:05 AM

Is the price of fuel really an issue when you cant get any? People are starting to get histerical around here. I find most of it humorous.

graywolf624 · 09-03-2005, 11:12 AM

Except they arent completely out of gas. They are low because people are freaking out and buying extreme amounts in a period where supply is already tight.

gtx28 · 09-06-2005, 10:03 AM

Thats true all the pumps around here are empty of regular unleaded, were still out. Many stations say they have no fuel at all, some stations are selling premium only. There are rumors that many stations have plenty of fuel but are only selling premium and not selling the regular fuel they have. I only posted this to see what everyone else is facing in this nation and around the world. For instance TT or Jabba are you seeing fuel prices rise? or is it only related to this nation?? I realize your fuel is heavily taxed but have the fuel prices spike as of late??

09-06-2005, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by gtx28

Thats true all the pumps around here are empty of regular unleaded, were still out. Many stations say they have no fuel at all, some stations are selling premium only. There are rumors that many stations have plenty of fuel but are only selling premium and not selling the regular fuel they have. I only posted this to see what everyone else is facing in this nation and around the world. For instance TT or Jabba are you seeing fuel prices rise? or is it only related to this nation?? I realize your fuel is heavily taxed but have the fuel prices spike as of late??

um in the uk our price is now edging towards £1 per litre, already is in some places the only reason it hasn't is that shell, BP etc have takne some of the fuel price rise out of thier margins, thats clearly unsustainable. Also in our paper there was a story how alot of pumps will have to be changed as the are incapable of showing over 99.9p

anyway i'd say on average around me its gone up maybe 4p. My bet is if the governement doesn't do anything we'll have fuel protests again soon, though its not near an election so the government probably won't give a shit :roll:

graywolf624 · 09-06-2005, 09:02 PM

Well we should be good here this time. Thankfully no one is going to put price caps on gasoline causing massive shortages this time.

RC45 · 09-06-2005, 10:27 PM

^^^ Well apart from people being able to buy more gas by simply driving more to burn up what they have - price caps will not cause a shortage if a real shortage doesn't exist.

Suppliers may create a false shortage by with holding supplies - but that would be counter productive in these crisis times.

Consumers do not have the ability to stockpile gas and store it so, apart from a few extra gallons people may buy with that extra gas can they have at home people won't suddenly buy 2000 gallons each

People could not "panic buy" more than their cars, weedwacker and lawnmoer could hold

This fact is born out by the many countries that have price control. Prices may not be the lowest, but it does not create instant shortages.

There are many instances where economic theory doesn't necessarily translate to economic text book practice.

ZfrkS62 · 09-06-2005, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by graywolf624

Well we should be good here this time. Thankfully no one is going to put price caps on gasoline causing massive shortages this time.

Speak for yourself. Louisiana does have an emergency cap.

graywolf624 · 09-07-2005, 09:12 PM

Fools.. Caps ultimately cause the shortages (the price being high is what discourages people from driving, if you keep the price artifically low the demand stays the same leading to shortages. It happened to very illeffect in American in the 70s). I know you prolly werent here then, but Carter used price controls, which led to gas rationing. Why.. Cause ultimately gas is not an inelastic good. That means that ultimately people will drive less if the price of gas rises. If the price is artificially low they will continue to take driving vacations and the like. The optimal level is always that which the market in a competitive environment will bear. Economic textbooks teach the basics, but ultimately you can apply them with complex analysis. Having done that for oil, I certainly can verify. Price float is exactly what avoids a shortage. Other examples, every country thats held strict to non float of currency has ultimately collapsed(argentina). The price caps you see on the medical industry in socialized countries has driven out the doctors. The fact is that price controls demand, and any time you artificially or even naturally cut price you don't allow demand to adjust to the given supply.

Consumers do not have the ability to stockpile gas and store it so

bs.. They can, and this past week they did. They can't on a year stand point, but they can from a stand point of a months supply by buying gas containers. If everyone buys a months supply of gas its the same effect as you get in the north east when everyone buys supplies before a snow storm.

I feel sorry for you, I didn't realize any place in America was still that stupid. Luckily most of this country lets the gas free ride, while just going after price gaugers.

RC45 · 09-07-2005, 09:33 PM

The above honestly does not ring true for temporary price caps for emergency reasons.

And this has in fcat been proven before during times of crisis... bread, gas, electricity - it does not matter.

If you have a particular period when there is a need for a basic escesity - such as bread, gas, heating electricity - there is inherently nothing wrong with preventing a price rise in the short term.

Nobody is suggesting a longterm economic policy - there is no point in preventing people form either surviving, eating or getting to work simply to "keep the market forces in balance".

Benevolance is in fact an important part of the free market system.

Ignoring this fact will ultimately lead to the very downfall of the system it is supposed to prop up.

Why? Because it doesn't matter what the theories indicate - if the size and power of the impoverished group gets big enough, they will no longer be "kept in line" by the rule of law and the ensuing revolution will be the end of the haves