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mindgam3 · 03-02-2005, 05:55 PM

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=32165

Basically Minardi needs all teams signatures to race last years car at the Melbourne GP as they've had troubles with engines as Cosworth were sold.

All teams have agreed Minardi can race, except Ferrari.

I think its fucking ridiculous, how low can you be? They're hardly a threat to Ferrari....

Personally I think its down to Paul Stoddart creating a leading GPWC and Ferrari realising this could not be good for them.

Ferrari's arrogance is killing the sport, most teams have a lot of respect for F1 but Ferrari continue to think F1 needs them more than they need F1... how wrong can they be, to me this is one step to far....arrogance

|Nuno| · 03-02-2005, 06:05 PM

Didn't you mean "Minardi may..."?

I say don't let them run. Wasn't Stoddart the one who said that Ferrari weren't following the "Rules"(I still don't know what rules he was talking about)? And yet, he now wants an exception...

twboy1999 · 03-02-2005, 06:08 PM

rules are rules

everyone should follow them IMO

mindgam3 · 03-02-2005, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by |Nuno|

Didn't you mean "Minardi may..."?

I say don't let them run. Wasn't Stoddart the one who said that Ferrari weren't following the "Rules"(I still don't know what rules he was talking about)? And yet, he now wants an exception...

Sorry, my bad hehe

It's not an exception...

The rules state that Minardi may run their current car if all teams agree.... all of which have except ferrari.

Minardi weren't able to develop a car because you cant design a new car unless you know what engine you're getting. They didnt know if they had an engine or not as Cosworth were only recently in the process of being sold. They havent got the money to recover from something like that.

And as i said, what harm is Minardi to Ferrari? The only thing it is doing is damaging the sport, the fan base and the sooner Ferrari sort out their attitude the better....

gucom · 03-02-2005, 06:17 PM

ferrari has approved of minardi using the 2004 car, so minardi is racing in melbourne...only 4 days left...

[EDIT] websites giving changing messages create alot of confusion...sorry read my message below....

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|Nuno| · 03-02-2005, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by mindgam3

Originally Posted by |Nuno|

Didn't you mean "Minardi may..."?

I say don't let them run. Wasn't Stoddart the one who said that Ferrari weren't following the "Rules"(I still don't know what rules he was talking about)? And yet, he now wants an exception...

Sorry, my bad hehe

It's not an exception...

The rules state that Minardi may run their current car if all teams agree.... all of which have except ferrari.

Minardi weren't able to develop a car because you cant design a new car unless you know what engine you're getting. They didnt know if they had an engine or not as Cosworth were only recently in the process of being sold. They havent got the money to recover from something like that.

And as i said, what harm is Minardi to Ferrari? The only thing it is doing is damaging the sport, the fan base and the sooner Ferrari sort out their attitude the better....

I see your point. The thing is:

Ferrari isn't doing this 'cause they fear Minardi or 'cause "they can". They're doing this 'cause Stoddart was the whole Winter bitching about Ferrari this, Ferrari that... All the time he keeps blaming Ferrari for everything and bringing their image down, and now he wants their signature?

I mean, if someone called you a liar, would you lend him some money?

I'm sure that if he weren't whining all the time and bashing Ferrari, they would let them race. He dug his own grave...

Don't get me wrong tough, I like Minardi and think they're important for the sport, but I'm SICK of Stoddart's constant whining. If he has so many problems, why doesn't him shut up and try to solve them, instead of trying to get the Media's attention?

And to be honest, I think they're just playing with him, they're probably just giving him a warning; eventually they will sign, I think...

|Nuno| · 03-02-2005, 06:30 PM

And to be honest, I think they're just playing with him, they're probably just giving him a warning; eventually they will sign, I think...

ferrari has approved of minardi using the 2004 car, so minardi is racing in melbourne...only 4 days left...

:shock:

*Leaves to the closest Casino*

redbaron · 03-02-2005, 06:33 PM

I thought Minardi already tested their 2005 car a couple of weeks ago...
I agree with lost of you, rules are rules and what would be next.

mindgam3 · 03-02-2005, 06:36 PM

When you get bias like this in contracts i dont blame Stoddart for whining:

- Ferrari are guaranteed $67m (£34.8m) every year - an estimated 15-20% of their budget - before any money is distributed to the other teams.

- Ferrari have absolute veto over all changes agreed by the other teams, even if the other teams agree unanimously.

- Ferrari would get more of F1's commercial revenue if they finished last than any other team would if they won the world championship.

gucom · 03-02-2005, 06:45 PM

im confused just a couple of hours i saw a website wher it said ferrari agreed, now the same website says they dont...so apparently ferrari is playing it hard...i say they should accept, i know rules are rules, but it'd be very bad for Minardi if they couldnt race the first 3 races, and minardi is already in so much trouble...it'd be a huge shame if F1 lost yet another team...i htink it'd be best for the sport if Ferrari accepted

owh and nuno, i'd wait just a little while before you spend all your savings in the casino lol

mindgam3 · 03-02-2005, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Ronin005

Originally Posted by mindgam3

When you get bias like this in contracts i dont blame Stoddart for whining:

- Ferrari are guaranteed $67m (£34.8m) every year - an estimated 15-20% of their budget - before any money is distributed to the other teams.

- Ferrari have absolute veto over all changes agreed by the other teams, even if the other teams agree unanimously.

- Ferrari would get more of F1's commercial revenue if they finished last than any other team would if they won the world championship.

and none of what you said can be blamed on Ferrari. who is in charge of all that, not Ferrari. who ever agreed to those terms, is to be blamed. who ever agreed to it should have not and put thier foot down, and Ferrari wouldnt have had any other choice.

i say the same thing about the NHL players, had the gm's and owner's not agreed to pay someone the amount they thought they deserved then there wouldnt be a fucking lockout. but they give in to what the players wanted and now blame the players.

sorry i dont think so, and this is the same thing now. no one should be blaming Ferrari.

They havent agreed, thats why most teams are looking to start a new GPWC.....

|Nuno| · 03-02-2005, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by gucom

owh and nuno, i'd wait just a little while before you spend all your savings in the casino lol

Lol, yeah, it's better wait a little bit.

When you get bias like this in contracts i dont blame Stoddart for whining:

- Ferrari are guaranteed $67m (£34.8m) every year - an estimated 15-20% of their budget - before any money is distributed to the other teams.

- Ferrari have absolute veto over all changes agreed by the other teams, even if the other teams agree unanimously.

- Ferrari would get more of F1's commercial revenue if they finished last than any other team would if they won the world championship.

I'm not sure if those figures are 100% correct, but lets assume they are.

Ferrari are World Champions, so by nature they'll receive more money. But that's not the point.

The point is:

Ferrari knows that they're important for the sport, and they're just taking advantage of that. Plain and simple. Arrogant?

Maybe, but this isn't the Red Cross. This is F1, and Ferrari wants to win. So, more money, more chances...

I would do the same, Stoddart would probably do the same...

Also, if that's true, why don't we see the other teams bitching like Stoddart does? Sorry, but I'm just sick of the guy...

"Aw, we don't have money, poor little us, lets blame Ferrari..."

Jordan also has lot of troubles, and yet they're not always whining, and they have their car ready.

And it's funny that when Ferrari didn't win shit, nobody cared about them, or about the sport being boring...

SFDMALEX · 03-02-2005, 07:01 PM

Who gives a rats ass about Minardi? Its not as if they are of any competition to any one, or ever will be for that matter. If you ask me they are just a safety hazard, its like having a safety car going around in green flag conditions...

|Nuno| · 03-02-2005, 07:04 PM

and nuno which casino you going to?

Lol, after this I'm not going anymore; not that I would anyway, I was only joking (no shit?!).

But if I were, I'd go to the Estoril Casino.

dingo · 03-02-2005, 07:04 PM

well I don't care about Minardi either, but the other 8 teams have threatened to boycott the entire race if Ferrari doesn't sign......and thats when I start caring

But I really doubt it will go that far, Nuno is most likely right in what he said