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TopGearNL · 09-19-2004, 01:22 PM

You have all read the topic about Jaguar pulling out of formula 1
http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16998

But there is something else also explained in that topic and that is that Cosworth is for sale or may quit Formula 1 aswell.

That should mean that Jordan and Minardi won't have engines or a enginesupplier for next year and that could also be the end of these teams.

The only solution I see for those teams that is Cosworth does quit is look for an different engine, a Honda engine or a Mercedes, but then again these are very expensive ideas and these teams (Jordan and Minardi) do have a budget, if you know what I mean :x

What now? Will we see 3 teams leaving Formula 1, I certainly hope not

Ghostbat · 09-19-2004, 01:46 PM

Does it really matter if Jordan and Minardi leaves the F1 circus? Just fewer backmarkers to lap for the other teams´.

ZfrkS62 · 09-19-2004, 02:10 PM

if those two leave there will be a lot less chances for the younger drivers to start their F1 careers. most of the rookie drivers start off with the small private teams.
So with the loss of Jordan and Minardi, i think we would pretty much see the lineups frozen until contracts start expiring. The only affordable way i see those two getting new engines is by going with the Renault enigine. i don't know how affordable Fiat would make their engine to wither of those teams, but since Sauber are running them i don;t think it would be that horrible.

And i don't want to start seeing suggestions of having one engine supplier for all teams the way CART/IRL does it. If a team can't build a reliable engine *cough*mercedes*cough* don't make someone else bail them out. Yeah that might shut ron dennis up but you're going to have alot more teams speaking up and complaining.

Toronto · 09-19-2004, 07:09 PM

toyota is the answer, they have been heard wanting to sell their engines.

ZfrkS62 · 09-19-2004, 08:43 PM

hmmm...mid-grid engine powering back of the grid cars? i like that idea. after all, we do have a front of the grid engine in a set of mid grid cars already, that could make things really interesting.

stracing · 09-20-2004, 01:31 AM

f1 does need those teams, look where webber, fischella, alonso came from

it will be a huge loss if they left

aks · 09-20-2004, 03:02 AM

i say get Lamborghini into F1, that would be interesting!!

TransAm · 09-20-2004, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by aks

i say get Lamborghini into F1, that would be interesting!!

Yeah man! Do any of our resident Lambo experts know why they don't compete in F1 already?

stracing · 09-20-2004, 10:13 AM

thats upto vw to decide, last i read they didn't want to spend the money

possessed_beaver · 09-20-2004, 10:59 AM

there is a clause in the concorde agreement, that says if it drops below "x" teams the remaning teams will run 3 F1 cars each...

imagine how much a ferrari 1,2,3 finish would suck!

Toronto · 09-20-2004, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by TransAm2001

Originally Posted by aks

i say get Lamborghini into F1, that would be interesting!!

Yeah man! Do any of our resident Lambo experts know why they don't compete in F1 already?

they did, and they were a laugh, thats why they stay away from racing.

SEAT might be the best chance for VW to get into F1

nthfinity · 09-20-2004, 02:13 PM

i was thinking mabey lotus could get back into F1... backed by GM... GM already shows some amazing race know how in the ALMS, and european GT tours...

mindgam3 · 09-20-2004, 03:06 PM

i think there a lot of companies that are "could be's" for F1 but i dont think anyone wants to get into F1 when ferrari are so dominant at the moment and the chances of them getting to the top aren't that great - see jaguars performance and toyota, the biggest car company in the world, even they cant do much to even get up with BAR, McLaren, Williams or even sauber for that matter. Although ford hardly gave them a chance considering they were only around for a few years, and webber proved by having a good driver that he is, they were improving all the time.

Toronto · 09-20-2004, 03:28 PM

toyota is the 2nd biggest car company in terms of sales, GM has been #1 for 70+ plust years

ZfrkS62 · 09-20-2004, 04:18 PM

i don't think GM is cut out for the demands of F1. Yeah the engines they run in NASCAR and CART have shown alot of reliability, but just because an engine can spin at high revs for sustained amounts of time, doesn't mean they can go up and down in their ranges the way an F1 car can. If you think about it, F1 tracks like Monaco are as close to stop and go driving as you can get, unlike CART and NASCAR which run on oval tracks for 500miles, its all freeway

For GM to make the jump, i think they will have divert too much of their motorsport budget to be able to run factory entries in any other type of racing.