How fast is the fastest takedown? 3-4 10ths ? Not every boxer is George Foreman who has a granite chin, and isn't the fastest movements... but people like the Klitchko's... light on thier feet would make a lot tougher takedown IMHO, let alone coming in close enough without a punch on your temple while you are doing something like a fireman's carry...
Wrestling doesn't have a counter to blunt attacks mate, that is why they aren't mixed up together.
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In neither case are you responding to the actual movement.. At 3-4 10ths or 2 10ths.. In neither case can anyone actually respond to the thrown punch. Once its thrown its already too late. Same with a shot. You look for visual clues to whats going to happen. A twitch, a movement of the feet. Something that gives a tell. Thats how its done. Phyically at a high level no ones going to block a punch or shot strictly by the movement.
The firemans carry isnt a throw. Im actually thinking very much the throws would be extremely effective versus a boxer. Almost every throw involves immobilizing the hands, and getting into them is extremely easy.. Getting out is damn near impossible. Thats why a wrestler can compete on his feet for a period of time. He isnt going to stand toe to toe.. but matches have shown (in the early days of mwa) that wrestlers beat the crap out of the kick boxers till they learn grappling. After that its all on the individual.
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vovchanchyn vs dan bobish
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A fat out of shape blob versus a good in shape person that clearly has been trained in grappling. The one guys shots are painful to watch... And the other guy is doing a fantastic job of whats called sprawling. He has clearly had a significant amount of wrestling training.
How about we pull out the vid of the beloved crocroc getting his ass beat by a wrestler. Randleman. Ironically who he beat using a grappling move in the rematch.
Coleman also comes to mind. Absolutely fantastic demonstration that crocroc has received months of grappling training. He wouldnt be able to block those moves if he didnt. They arent easy things to block.