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obdr · 02-09-2007, 02:16 PM

If you look at the video you see them overlay a correctly sized image of the plane. Notice that the engines make up almost the correct width of the hole. What happened most likely is that the wings folded in behind the plane as it hit the Pentagon and the engines and fuselage were what did the primary damage. If you measure the width from engine to engine....you will find that they pretty much match the width of the damage. You can see in the pics that the pentagon is built pretty thick along those corridors...almost like the Titanic with little walled off sections to contain just such a massive blast. And guess what.......they worked.

What does make me wonder is that there seem to be no marks on the concrete face where the wings would have struck BEFORE they folded backwards and went through with the rest of the plane. That is very odd to me as I would think they would at least leave some mark no matter that they were "weak" aluminum.

What I would really be interested in is all the thousands of people who would have had to have seen this "plane" hit. The Pentagon is surrounded by highway traffic ALL THE TIME!!!! If this really were a staged "hit" then you would have tons of Americans who were on the highway when the "explosion" happened going "hold on a minute, I heard the explosion.....but I never saw a plane beforehand".

Its not like the Pentagon is in some seculuded part of the country where you could claim a plane hit without there ever being a plane. The Pentagon is literaly surrounded by civilian traffic all the time.

So the question is: How many average every day Americans actually witnessed the attack at the Pentagon and saw the plane with thier own eyes? The second question: Were there any people there that day on the highway would were maybe lookign at the Pentagon and saw no plane but did see a sudden explosion?? Thirdly, how many people were in the parking lot and saw the plane as it came in?? There had to have been people milling about in the lot. Its a HUGE place.

I would think, even if there was some ginourmous conspiracy going on, it would be impossible to keep EVERYONE quite. Assuming it was a conspiracy, there would be SOMEBODY there that day saying "hold on a minute, I was RIGHT THERE and there was never a huge plane".

Seems to me thats not the case. Lots of people DID see the plane at extremely low altitude. Lots of people heard the plane.

Additionally, if the plane didnt hit the Pentagon then where did it go?? What happened to all the people on the passenger manifest?? Those people did dissappear and they did have families. They were not fake. Could they all be "secret agents". Could their families be in on it for cash. H_E_L_L_O people!!! Thats just a little out there!!!!.

And finally, there is the "overkill factor". Very clearly, real planes with real people hit the WTC towers. So why the heck bother to strike the Pentagon. Its redundent at that point. Assuming it was a government conspiracy then there would be no need to strike the Pentagon unless they wanted to be sure at least one attack succeeded. But, of course, that logic works just as well for the enemy. But think of it as a conspiracy and the logic falls apart. It MIGHT work if they used a real plane. But according to this conspiracy theory they didnt. Why the heck use an explosion and claim a huge plane hit when none ever did. That could unravel the whole huge "plot" that the conspiracy nuts claim. It just seems to make no sense as an "intelligent" conspiracy. Why have this great plan worked out using real planes and then add to it the utterly rediculous plot to stage a "fake hit" of the Pentagon where there are so many uncontrollable factors like a HUGE cast of random people (civilians on thier way to work and such), not to mention hundreds of Pentagon workers with all levels of security clearances and such, there are virtually all times to deny what you claim?!?!?! Do you really think they could control ALL those people and make them support or believe a plane hit that never did?!?!? Just seems HIGHLY unlikely to me.

So in the end, show me some REAL evidence that makes me question it and I will indeed begin to wonder.

02-09-2007, 02:16 PM	#24
obdr Regular User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 145	If you look at the video you see them overlay a correctly sized image of the plane. Notice that the engines make up almost the correct width of the hole. What happened most likely is that the wings folded in behind the plane as it hit the Pentagon and the engines and fuselage were what did the primary damage. If you measure the width from engine to engine....you will find that they pretty much match the width of the damage. You can see in the pics that the pentagon is built pretty thick along those corridors...almost like the Titanic with little walled off sections to contain just such a massive blast. And guess what.......they worked. What does make me wonder is that there seem to be no marks on the concrete face where the wings would have struck BEFORE they folded backwards and went through with the rest of the plane. That is very odd to me as I would think they would at least leave some mark no matter that they were "weak" aluminum. What I would really be interested in is all the thousands of people who would have had to have seen this "plane" hit. The Pentagon is surrounded by highway traffic ALL THE TIME!!!! If this really were a staged "hit" then you would have tons of Americans who were on the highway when the "explosion" happened going "hold on a minute, I heard the explosion.....but I never saw a plane beforehand". Its not like the Pentagon is in some seculuded part of the country where you could claim a plane hit without there ever being a plane. The Pentagon is literaly surrounded by civilian traffic all the time. So the question is: How many average every day Americans actually witnessed the attack at the Pentagon and saw the plane with thier own eyes? The second question: Were there any people there that day on the highway would were maybe lookign at the Pentagon and saw no plane but did see a sudden explosion?? Thirdly, how many people were in the parking lot and saw the plane as it came in?? There had to have been people milling about in the lot. Its a HUGE place. I would think, even if there was some ginourmous conspiracy going on, it would be impossible to keep EVERYONE quite. Assuming it was a conspiracy, there would be SOMEBODY there that day saying "hold on a minute, I was RIGHT THERE and there was never a huge plane". Seems to me thats not the case. Lots of people DID see the plane at extremely low altitude. Lots of people heard the plane. Additionally, if the plane didnt hit the Pentagon then where did it go?? What happened to all the people on the passenger manifest?? Those people did dissappear and they did have families. They were not fake. Could they all be "secret agents". Could their families be in on it for cash. H_E_L_L_O people!!! Thats just a little out there!!!!. And finally, there is the "overkill factor". Very clearly, real planes with real people hit the WTC towers. So why the heck bother to strike the Pentagon. Its redundent at that point. Assuming it was a government conspiracy then there would be no need to strike the Pentagon unless they wanted to be sure at least one attack succeeded. But, of course, that logic works just as well for the enemy. But think of it as a conspiracy and the logic falls apart. It MIGHT work if they used a real plane. But according to this conspiracy theory they didnt. Why the heck use an explosion and claim a huge plane hit when none ever did. That could unravel the whole huge "plot" that the conspiracy nuts claim. It just seems to make no sense as an "intelligent" conspiracy. Why have this great plan worked out using real planes and then add to it the utterly rediculous plot to stage a "fake hit" of the Pentagon where there are so many uncontrollable factors like a HUGE cast of random people (civilians on thier way to work and such), not to mention hundreds of Pentagon workers with all levels of security clearances and such, there are virtually all times to deny what you claim?!?!?! Do you really think they could control ALL those people and make them support or believe a plane hit that never did?!?!? Just seems HIGHLY unlikely to me. So in the end, show me some REAL evidence that makes me question it and I will indeed begin to wonder.