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Originally Posted by ice
I cant understand you allanlambo.
Regardless of whether u actually own both of these cars is meaningless, my father drives a BiBi 512, but it doesnt make me an expert on Ferrari's, especially one as new as the F430.
Second, no lambo has existed better then a Ferrari. Some will say the muira, which understeered like a Civic as the gas gauge lowered, and overall was an inferior driving car then its Ferrari compeototr.
Also, Ferrari has been off their game since the F40? In that case, Lambo didnt have a game UNTIL the murc. Since the F40, the 355, 360, 550, 575, F50, Enzo and now the F430 comes out. These cars not only dominated their respective times, but they also remain the most desired cars in the world, bar NONE. Hell afetr SIX YEARS, the 360 has a one year plus waiting list, and in automotive comparisons still WINS!
And what is hard to belieev about the F430 being so quick. AS already mentioned, the "downward slope" advantage means nothign, as magazines have replicated and beaten the times set on those slopes, so that argument has no bearing. Sure, give or take a tenth, but regardless is posts a 7.9 100 mph time, which is only 2 tenths off the slightly more powerful, but heavier Ford GT. The Murc and GAllrdo both outweigh the F430 significantly, and not only that, the torque advantage against the 360 is all but neautralized now in the 4.3 litre F430.
Also, the Gallardo is no drivers car. It understeers at the limit, has AWD which, as any motoring journal has said, dulls the experience and makes it less excitintg. This is why it still is outsold by a SIX YEAR OLD 360 modena, and why the 360 is already a better sports car. By no means am I saying th GAllardo isnt a GREAt car, but it isnt a 360 killer, and it definetely isnt an F430 killer. What is it? Some competition. Driving dynamics straigt line performance, sound and, obviously, heritage, the F430 dominates.
As much as journalists are trying to play up the Ferrari/Lambo war, we all know deep down Ferrari's real competitor is Porsche, as both Enzo and Montezelmo have stated. The Gallardo was already beaten, before the F430 came out. The 360 did that on its own.
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Your opinion is obviously swayed by your fathers Ferrari ownership, and that is understandable. But you are kidding yourself. Since Lambo introduced the Muira, they have dominated Ferrari roadcars, barring the 288Gto, F40, F50 and Enzo. The words Daytona, shouldnt even be uttered in the same breath as Muira, The words Boxer and Testarossa, should never be uttered in the same breath as Countach, and the same holds true for the 550/575, along with the Diablo and Murcielago. Did you know the a 1970 Muira, can outaccelerate, out brake, and hold more mph through the skidpad then a TR?e we are on the subject of the TR, its another Ferrari i am very familiar with, having owned both it, and a Countach at the same time. I sold the TR within 6 months. The Countach could run circles around, was built better, and far more reliable.
You are now calculating what the difference a downhill slope makes without even knowing what it is? What about the fact that the straight is not long enough to do a 1/4 mile run? Just try and use reason for a second, a realize that an F40, cannot duplicate those numbers, and has just about the same amount of power as the 430, but weighs substantially less.
The Gallardo is not a 360 killer? Are you kidding? The Gallardo will run circles around the 360, not to mention the 360 CS. Nurburgring and Hockenheim times dont lie. Now, Pirelli has made the same race compound tires used on the 360CS, available for the Gallardo, which will further improve its time. The Gallardo wins every performance comparison also.
The Murcielago is also SIGNIFICANTLY faster than a Gallardo, especially at speeds over 100 mph.
It is true that i dont own a 360 (i hate the look), but i have owned countless Ferraris, and have driven thousands of miles in others, including 360's. INMO, they are not comparable to Lambo in any shape or form. Personally, id take a Porsche GT2 over any current production Ferrari, barring an Enzo.
Ferrari does have Heritage, but that means squat to their roadcars. Alfa Romeo has heritage, they even have cars worht millions of dollars, but myslef personally, would never drive an ALfa. Hell even Honda has racing Heritage, and i could careless.