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TT 06-12-2004 08:54 AM

Brillant idea for the next generation of brakes!
 
Well of course you never know if such things will actually make it into production.. but this one seemed simply stunning to me and I wondered why nobody considered it in the past (not that I know).

I ready about this new dual disks brake system on evo and I think it deserves to be seen! I just see positive points: more cooling surface, lighter pedal, more force applied, better feel, lower diameters so weight won't really improve...

You can read more about it here: http://www.delphi.com/pdf/e/br_max_torque.pdf

jon_s 06-12-2004 08:57 AM

Hahaha, they have this on Mountain bikes!! Seriously, 'Hope' are in the process of developing it!! I bet you never knew bikes were so cutting edge!!!!!

TT 06-12-2004 09:03 AM

LOL I bought my last bike (a sweet Cannondale) probably 10 years ago.. still not disk brakes at all.. :D

jon_s 06-12-2004 09:05 AM

I am trying to find a pic, but this is such 'hot' news that there are none yet. Only one magazine has it, and the only pic I can find is a phone pic and really bad quality!

have a click of the link, does it work?

http://forum.southerndownhill.com/in...;id=1536;image

TT 06-12-2004 09:07 AM

Nope, asks for username and pass

jon_s 06-12-2004 09:18 AM

Thought so....hang on

http://img27.photobucket.com/albums/v82/jon_s/index.jpg

As I said, really bad quality, it is a mobile phone, taking a picture of a Magazine!

TT 06-12-2004 09:31 AM

Yes indeed it could be aynthing :D but I trust you ;)

nejcdolinsek 06-12-2004 09:53 AM

Brembo should be ashamed!!

ChrisAW11 06-12-2004 02:55 PM

What about my kind of brake system?
Water-cooled internal disc brakes (so that it keeps unsprung masses down), with a driveshaft-powered clutch-engaged water pump (which generates some braking power itself) to keep the cooling liquids flowing...

The only thing you'd need for that is money and strong driveshafts.

jon_s 06-12-2004 05:09 PM

Explain internal disc brakes!

I am finding it hard to visualise how they work!

ChrisAW11 06-12-2004 09:03 PM

Well, internal brakes are close to the differential housing. Obviously, that means they are far away from the airstream as well, that is why you need to cool them by liquid cooling.

graywolf624 06-12-2004 09:34 PM

I didnt realize someone made a system that was water cooled.. Most of the jackass mustang people run the internal rotors then whine when the suckers overheat...

A fool is born every minute.

T-Bird 06-12-2004 09:45 PM

what kind of Mustang are you talking about? the Ford's they don't have internal brakes. NEVER seen them on one either.

graywolf624 06-12-2004 09:59 PM

Quote:

what kind of Mustang are you talking about? the Ford's they don't have internal brakes. NEVER seen them on one either.
Aftermarket.. remember I run in the road racing/autox crowd. The less successful wannabes tend to focus on a certain kit ive seen a few times with internal rotors..
The good ones just laugh at them.

The stock setup of the mustang sucks.. but thats for other reasons..
Particularly qudra bind in the stick rear and undersized rotors.

The cobras independent has much bigger problems according to most of thepeople i know.

Sir_GT 06-15-2004 01:39 AM

I had an idea once...

Why not apply the braking pressure to the area surrounding the axle on which the disc is attached to? The reason why brakes heat up so much, is because the pressure is applied on the outside, which, due to the distance from the main point of "spin" (for lack of a better term) multiplies the amount of force needed to stop the discs from spinning.

Now if you had brake pads that circled the axle (sort of like a mini-disc) on both sides of the main disc, and made the two pads clamp down, (like regular brake pads) it would slow down the main disc's spin quicker since the force is directly applied, as close as possible, to the force's main area of origin, and create less friction and heat, therefore reducing the risk of overheating.

It's a physics thing.


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