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Pussies. This is what racing was all about in the good old days. Having balls. Sheesh.
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That's the problem. Or like is now happening at track days all over the US - no passangers unless they are an instructor etc etc. Don't blame us common sense folks.. blame the litigation happy Kalifornikators ;) |
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So many of my great grandfather's friends died over the years racing. They had balls, and they died. If not wanting to die; but rather do things the safe way, does this mean I'm a pussy? Hence why it's retarded to go 240 mph in a car that was never intended to go faster then 160 mph. |
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actually, i think it wont matter what car u drive, if ur having an accident @ 240 or so miles per hour, ur done anyway...
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I'm definitely not talking safety cages alone here. Tire stability, mechanical stability, aerodynamic stability. A cage is nice, but if the car is poor in any of those areas, you are pretty much screwed. |
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very sobering. I am expecting something like this happening at the Texas Mile before long.... but with worse consequences |
Well, remember the differenc ebetwwen a flying mile and a standing mile is that cars are rapidly accelerating and than hard braking - a little less chance this type of behaviour that can be induced by the distances travelled in the flying mile.
Blown tyre roll overs are more likely I think than full aero disasters. |
I think a car whit a heavy front engine like supra viper or gtr is pretty stable compared to a mid engined car like a ferrari.
So that means that such a car would be better for the really high speed stuff. |
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For example... http://nthimage.com/Detroit/events/M...tiac_GTO_4.jpg 100% stock Front engined v8 at about 156 mph http://nthimage.com/Detroit/events/M...Ford_GT_11.jpg Compared to a mid engined car designed with aerodynamics involved, and mid engined. Both cars are 100% stock suspension geometry. The GT literally is sucked to the ground with these high speeds, and it's ride height is greatly reduced. http://nthimage.com/Detroit/events/M...ette_Z06_3.jpg This z06 was running approx 187 mph, and slight front end lift is visible... again, the aero makes more of a difference at speed than the weight distribution... http://nthimage.com/Detroit/events/M..._355_GTS_4.jpg this mid engine Ferrari even has some front end lift. Basically, cars designed for 200 + mph are far better for doing these ridiculous standing mile tests |
I do believe the C6 shown is displaying more the results of the slight rear downforce (negative lift) the stock body has inherently designed in, combined with the almost neutral behaviour of the front vs actual lift generated.
From my recollction, the C6 has a close to 0 front lift number and a slightly negative lift (downforce) in the rear. C5's and C6's have been doing 200+mph runs since 1997 and it was apparent from day 1 that the car is relatively neutral and responds really well to researched aero additions. Remember even that F355 while appearing aerodynamicly unstable has a flat underbody that helps in preventing such disastrous aerodynamic events. And another thing, in order to flip the car over, the positive lift will need to overcome the weight of the car - so lift would need to be in the +1000lb range to yank the car over. Of course these lift number will be dynamic of a panel begs to rip off or the car veers left or right and suddenly the body may take on a aerofoil profile as it rushes through the air resulting in really chaotic behaviour - but I dont think the standing mile even at 240mph is enough to induce the funky behaviour we saw in that video - or not ;) |
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