I'm still not sure what your point is though?

Are we still discussing the GT-R or an STi or a Z06 ??

Supposedly anyone can go fast in a GT-R - it just does everything by computer ;)

I agree with RC. There's something sneaky about GT-R. I like the car and it's performance, but something just isn't right about the given numbers.

I'll just add this here for the sake of reference.

http://kultivate.wordpress.com/2008/...r-on-the-dyno/

For like the 7th time or something now, my guess is still 515 at the crank.

The controversey continues.. http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtes...deo/index.html
Randy pobst tests.. Results: beats the r8 around laguna by .5 seconds. Not exactly the 5 secs it did in the tests by Mr. Millen now is it. Also mentioned the tires being rediculous. Finally.. apparently its alot less drive itself then you might think..

I spoke with a gent that had a chance to thrash a GT-R around a track in anger - and his conclusion was that the car pushed like a bus, the tyres made the day, but were shot by 5pm... and that the car is a lot of fun to drive - while the tyres provide the needed level of grip, but that the car slows down as the day progresses and your tyres and brakes take a beating managing all that weight.

They corner weighted the car - I believe he said 3960lbs tanked up and ready for track duty.

He would love to have one as a daily driver, but concluded in stock form it is not a very serious track car, and will be hellish expensive on consumables and required maintenance if you do track it often.

add one 150+ pound driver and you've got 2 tons to sling around.

aughh, I guess this thread from May is why my great realization recently that the GT-R made more hp that is claimed was by that time old news.

At $70,000 this car is a bargin, the extra hp is just a bonus.

Too bad the GT-R does n't weigh 3000lbs and look like a F430.

Well, this and other GT-R threads before it. :|

Ok just to repeat other threads before (since I'm sure its been mentioned) How about a factory GT-RS, a factory light weight version of the car. (or GT-NSXR) No, tuner aftermarket cars dont count, gotta be from the factory.

Really this car is almost perfect. Fast powerful inexpensive, probably since its Japanese it doesn't break much.

I can live with the looks, as that is subjective and tends to be fickle with time. But the weight is a real issue.

Imagine what this car could do with 600 or 800 less pounds. Aluminum, carbon fiber, and take lots of shite off that you dont need. Carpet, power windows, SAT Nav, radio delete, and the right sun visor.

:-) ok Wikipedia says there's going to be something called a GT-R Spec V, but its only going to be 200 lbs lighter.

What I know about JDM could fit on the head of a pin.

I think the big surprise to the market and user community might be how "soft" the stock components end up being.

The GT-R is a well built well matched setup, I think key being well-matched. Individual systems may work well together and be quite reliable at stock settings, but tuned they might prove to be fickle and unreliable - and this I think is why the Spec V and other factory options will carry a much higher price as the critical components get updated and beefed up.

And yes, 3900lbs is a lot of weight to pull around - especially for folks used to light weight Corvettes and Porsches.

Yes, exactly.

Well in one of the top gear reviews of the new r35, they were going on about how each block is hand built.. which may cause a slight vary in hp for each car.....but to be able to make the claimed hp at the wheels then at the flywheel is !!!!

The response to that is that plenty of engines are made by hand: mercedes amgs, ferrari engines, oh and the Corvette Z06.. to name a few. None of these engines are off by that much.

Furthermore, it's not like the parts aren't machined. The workers assemble the engine parts . . . they don't forge them one by one by hand or anything.

To an extent, Ferrari does. But I don't think that would change the power output, not by 40hp anyway. They all have the same mold, I'd assume.