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TT 05-25-2004 10:35 AM

evo #68 - Porsche Carrera GT vs McLaren F1 (again)
 
I know it was already posted, but if I post it anyway it because:

- the original link seems to be dead
- I scanned anyway the whole mag, the pics would be anyway in the gallery and they won't disappear from there
- it's a fucking gorgeous review :P

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twboy1999 05-25-2004 11:06 AM

hum..
i am surprise the writter feel mcclaren feels easier to drive on the track
i thought it would the opposite

also he feel it is faster... yeah f1 is faster in a straight line, but no way can it beat it in any type of track..

CGT is a freaking track monster

DMbaseball1604 05-25-2004 11:28 AM

Yeah I would have to agree, The article is a bit biased...but still a great article...thanks TT!

BADMIHAI 05-25-2004 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twboy1999
hum..
i am surprise the writter feel mcclaren feels easier to drive on the track
i thought it would the opposite

also he feel it is faster... yeah f1 is faster in a straight line, but no way can it beat it in any type of track..

CGT is a freaking track monster


The F1 might beat is, even on a track. One car that would beat them both on the track is the F40. Nice article indeed!

yg60m 05-25-2004 04:20 PM

But where is the first post of it ? :lol: :wink:

HoboPie 05-25-2004 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BADMIHAI
Quote:

Originally Posted by twboy1999
hum..
i am surprise the writter feel mcclaren feels easier to drive on the track
i thought it would the opposite

also he feel it is faster... yeah f1 is faster in a straight line, but no way can it beat it in any type of track..

CGT is a freaking track monster


The F1 might beat is, even on a track. One car that would beat them both on the track is the F40. Nice article indeed!

The F40 is quick, but are you kidding. The Carrera GT is probably a match for the Enzo on the track. The dynamics are probably there and the straightline pace after recent tests isn't quite there, but still the closest supercar out there.

I do think the F40 can beat a Mclaren around a track though. I think Atkinson is just too amateur in his skill to see the difference. Cars that appear harder and even slower to amateurs are often significantly different in skilled hands.

For example, Clarkson believes the SLR is very close to the CGT in terms of overall performance. In his hands there wasn't much difference. In the Stigg's hands on a fairly simple track the difference was more obvious. In the sport auto super test which is usually a little biased towards German cars, not because of the driver, but because of the amount of testing German cars get there. There was a huge difference the CGT was about 14 seconds faster while driving in the wet.

In the dry it is probably closer to 25 seconds.

dons5 05-26-2004 02:28 AM

Enzo will win over all plain and simple

sameerrao 05-26-2004 10:52 AM

I love the effort the writer - Rowan Atkinson (Mr. Bean) - takes to describe the sound of the F1 engine - Ispent the last five minutes trying to mimic the sounds here. My neighbours must be thinking I am loony :lol: :lol:

Mircea 05-26-2004 11:56 AM

Great article. Thanks, TT!

BADMIHAI 05-26-2004 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoboPie
Quote:

Originally Posted by BADMIHAI
Quote:

Originally Posted by twboy1999
hum..
i am surprise the writter feel mcclaren feels easier to drive on the track
i thought it would the opposite

also he feel it is faster... yeah f1 is faster in a straight line, but no way can it beat it in any type of track..

CGT is a freaking track monster


The F1 might beat is, even on a track. One car that would beat them both on the track is the F40. Nice article indeed!

The F40 is quick, but are you kidding. The Carrera GT is probably a match for the Enzo on the track. The dynamics are probably there and the straightline pace after recent tests isn't quite there, but still the closest supercar out there.

I do think the F40 can beat a Mclaren around a track though. I think Atkinson is just too amateur in his skill to see the difference. Cars that appear harder and even slower to amateurs are often significantly different in skilled hands.

For example, Clarkson believes the SLR is very close to the CGT in terms of overall performance. In his hands there wasn't much difference. In the Stigg's hands on a fairly simple track the difference was more obvious. In the sport auto super test which is usually a little biased towards German cars, not because of the driver, but because of the amount of testing German cars get there. There was a huge difference the CGT was about 14 seconds faster while driving in the wet.

In the dry it is probably closer to 25 seconds.


Don't you also have that Best Motoring battle where they put the McLaren F1, Ferrari F50 and Ferrari F40 against each other? The F40 beats them both by about a second.

mazmazmaz1 05-26-2004 06:16 PM

U mean in the lap time attack test. I think these were done over different periods in time thus preventing any fair comparison due to temperature variations. Meaning that in hot conditions a car will have a slower lap time. To do a fair comparison the comparison should be applied on the same day and BM didnt test the F40 F50 and F1 on the same day. The F1 was tested in 96 only.

My opinion is that the F1 would easily beat the F40 and F50. Between the F40 and F50 well I dont really know but I favour the F50.

dons5 05-26-2004 07:59 PM

its a fact that the F50 is faster then both on a track, like out of all Companys do u think Ferrari will make a super car slower ten its predecessor? use some common sense i think it was a couple seconds faster on there test track cant remmember

crazidude 05-27-2004 12:21 AM

I can't remember, but in that BM video didn't the F1 beat the F50? And the F40 stomped both of em?

dons5 05-27-2004 02:34 AM

ya but big deal, its like sayin ur cars slower cause the stig said so on that show 5th gear or top gear, do u think the stig gets 50 laps in each car so he can really show the performance? i doubt it

3D_CARD 05-29-2004 12:25 PM

Nothing without modification can catch Mclaren F1 in straightline that's for sure, but around a track with twist and corners, ENZO/Carrera GT/Saleen S7 will be the king -- because of their excellent mechanical grip/aero downforce. :D Plus new car always comes with better brake/tyre compound, isn't it the key of banzai hot lap time? :lol:

But theory stopped here : Editors of EVO aren't Tiff Needle/Jason Plato class driver, and like most of us they can't even drive an Carrera GT without TC on the limit, so theory doesn't always work here. :wink:


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