GTA 4 and Dumbass Kids
 

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Hopeless

Sigh. You don't let your 14 year old boy play any game that lets you have sex with hookers then kill them afterwards.

There's some really negligent parents out there.

LOL - this is hilarious.

They are only blaming GTA4 because their lawyers advised them to. Random violence and teenagers acting as worthless thugs has bene around for decades.

Its pretty telling that the "gang" is pretty cosmopolitan... by last name it looks like a Messikan, 2 Pakis and a Honky.... what happened?? They couldn't find their other "brutha" Snoop before they left on their "video game" rampage?

Why not? Main stream global entertainment is full of such stories - with no age restrictions... just see TV at 7pm every night.

There ar efar more unbalanced teens as a result of porr education models that refuse to present or teach mortality in schools and int he same breath restrict parents access and "control" over their kids.

When last did a 10 or 12 year old boy who was being an arsehol get a good thrashing from their mother/father with a belt on their backside to pull them in line?

;)

Spare the rod and spoil the child... no - spoil the nation ;)

So stupid!!:laugh:

Stupid is an understatement. Drink and drive is stupid, trying out Jackass stunt is stupid, but running around car jacking and beating ppl up is illogical. Messed up brains.

^retarded is the word you're looking for

I like how when anything like this happens, no matter what is being blamed, be it movies, video games, or music, somebody always claims that kids/teenagers have trouble seperating reality from fiction. Does anyone here recall at any point in their life not knowing the diffrence between what they saw on the T.V. and what they were doing in RL? Even as a wee little tyke of 5 years old or so I knew that those Thundercats were cartoons and that if I went around swinging a sword I'd be in trouble. And how about good ol G.I. Joe? Just before a Cobras jet gets hit with a big honkin missle the pilot bails out. I was in the first grade and I would STILL yell out a big old "THATS SO FAKE!!"

The point is, kids know perfectly well what they are doing. Parents and other adults have repeated phrases like "Oh they're just kids. They don't know any better." so many times that now kids know they can use it as an excuse when they do something they knew was wrong in the first place! "Gee judge, it's not my fault. I'm just a kid who played to many Video Games. Do you mean to say that I'm not suppose to attack people with a crowbar? Is that a new law?"

might want to look into research contradicting that statement

http://nospank.net/

I'm surprised these kids were named. That's not allowed in Australia as it ruins their lives in they're innocent and prevents appropriate rehabilitation if they're guilty.

Nevertheless, this sort of stuff has been going on forever, well before video games were invented. Can't blame video games. You can only blame the parents, who the kids seek guidance from.

I dont need "research" - I just have to read the lead story.

Fact:

Spare the Rod Spoil the Child.

Ban Guns Violent Crime Increases.

Its simple really - remove the consequence and the actions will continue.

They are fucking criminals - damn straight they should be named.

And when did Australia become a nation of pussy faced do-gooders, cowards and whiners?

Wow - and here I used to think that Australia was a nation of real men and real women ;)

^We are. Kids are very often sent to adult prisons for long stretches. They get few favours. In fact, the trend has been to reduce the operation of doli incapax. However, some things stay the same and they just aren't named.

Whew... all is well with the world again :)

I sort of lean towards people not being named in the press until after they're found guilty. Yes these dumb asses are guilty but generally speaking if you were innocent and accused of a crime you wouldn't want your name dragged through the mud. I've always found it rather stupid that in rape cases the womans name is withheld, as it should be, but the guy accused is put out their for all the world to see. Never mind he might be innocent. And even if he is found innocent in court later what are the odds he's gonna get himself a date after that?

^The rape thing is interesting, but ultimately, not guilty is not guilty and their lives do recover. I once read a feature article profiling those who were falsely accused and one of them, a swimming instructor, said his business was booming because he's famous now.

I totally agree with you.. I spanked as a small kid.. and i grew up to be a fine gentleman and loving caring person..

Today.. 15yo... doesnt even show respect.. im 28 and when they walk around swearing and shit and drinking on public transport it just piss's me off. I told them and what do they say.. FUCK YOU CUNT... so what did i do... being of large build. I walked up and he was like wtf you gonna do.. I grab his Jim Beam and poured it over his head.. little shit kicker.. every one in the train lol at him.. i signed off with saying:

"Is that the mouth you kiss you mother with.." He was so lost for words he ran off the train!

little gangster eminem wanna be...

As much as I agree with you that a lot of young kids today show lack of respect for everything. What you did will solve nothing. Quite the opposite actually, what you show him is that being bigger and larger build can do a lot more in the cruel world. What you did is make yourself feel good after an argument with a kid. You shouldn't take justice into your own hands.

I don't know what's the world like in Australia, if it's in NA, that kid will probably want to get a gun and get more "respect" while building himself up in case of running into bullies like you.

Which is why in Texas, when the "kid" graduates to home invasion, he'll get sho tin the face and dragged out in a body bag ;)

^LOL, nothing wrong with self defense. When everyone has a few guns at home, you always second guess before you climb through that window.

^ are people really that bored?

Yes... that bored and naive.

Spam in your sig is risky business

To get respect you need to show respect. I'm willing to bet that the kids involved in this incident all had neglectful parents and/or teachers. They've just been brought up poorly. I'm not sure spanking has any substantive effect at all, either way. It's all part of a bigger process.

It is not the actual thrashing that has the substantive effect - it is the threat of the thrashing.

When I was a youngster I only got hit once on the backside with a belt. when I was maybe 6 or 7 years old.... for defying a parent and kicking the football in the house.

The ball bounced and smashed some items in the house. Interesting thing is that from then on, when either parent (or auts or uncles or grand parents) made a request to do or not do something, I did or didnt do it as required.

You know why? Because I receieved a thrashing on my backside amd it was painful enough to leave an impression.

That impression was that there are consequences to action and it is better to not commit a violatin or crime.

So, unlike these days where you see a parent or grandparent saying "Johnny - don't do that" and he replies "Fuckoff old man" in our day you actually respected the person, command and general order of things.

The idea that "kids" need to be pandered to is absurd. The reason many western cultures are besot with rampant juvenile crime is because the kids were not TAUGHT respect to command they are given.

The idea that I and all other people who were raised with the threat of corporal punishment have all become wife beating, child abusing gang raping mass murderes is stupid at best.

The reality is were actually have respect fo rthe rule of law and are able to operate in a society of laws a lot easier than brats who were pandered to at every turn.

Spare the rod and spoil the nation.

:)

I kind of doubt the parents in this case were around to deal out any kind of discipline. But, you never know for what all went on for sure.

While I'm generally against younger, more impressionable kids playing games like GTA4, it would make a convenient excuse in a case like this.

An interesting argurement has arrisin in this thread, but I must agree with RC45, I'm 23 and when I was growing up I learned and quickly I might add to do what I was told, now as a child sometimes I didn't listen and I paid the consequences, spanking or my favorite having to stand with my nose on the doorknob for 15-20 mins, nothing like good o'l fashioned humilation for punishement. But heres the thing, it worked, I respected my elders, never once did I tell my parents to "shut up" or anything like that. I also didn't grow up on video games, but I think that playing them does not alter a persons sense of reality, thats just a cop out used my children and parents to take away any responsiblity that they might have. There is nothing wrong with spanking your children for discipline, now granted there is a line that can't be crossed when it comes to discipling your children and that is up to the parents to realize. But if a kid knows he is going to get a spanking when he does something wrong then when he grows up he won't do things that are unlawful and morally disdainfull. The future does not look well for the world if parents don't get some control over their children, I see kids downtown with the parents and I wonder why these adults lets their children talk to them like that, I would have been backhanded to next sunday if I spoke to my parents like that. Don't blame violent and misbehaved children on video games, blame them on bad parenting.

some people are just born stupid, and the shit that drive them to stupid acts can be video games, religion, and pretty much everything else..

You too?? ;) hehe

Strange thing is I never even thought about saying some of the things I have seen kids yell at their parents in public these days.

I cant imagine what they say RC. i mean i once swore saying oh fuck sake and the millisecond i completed the sentence i had my mums back hand in my face.. I rarely swear and when i do people know I’m angry. So i totally agree with punishment.. Telling a kid not to do behave in a certain manner is not like telling a dog to sit.

If my kid steps out of line, I’m sure he will be very well acquainted to my back hand.. Not cause i hate him but cause i love him and want him to grow up knowing that there is always a reaction to an action.

As for that kid in the train.. It wasn't bulling, it was simple discipline that he lacked from his parents that i gave him. I could of dragged him off the train and put his head under the train if i wanted but in stead i chose to react in a manner that would behave him.

I mean wars where fought over people insulting other peoples families!! You insult me that fine to a point BUT you add my family and my fiancée and then its over red rover.. you better run or I’m going to rip your scrotum out and shove it down your throat!

Pok.

It's certainly all very sad

I'm the same way as you, Pok. You have to do that. I don't want my kids behaving like savages while growing up and other people looking at them in disgust. If the kid acts badly, that only isolates them from their peers and even the rest of the society to an extent. You don't want that for your child.