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pagani 06-26-2010 09:54 AM

Switzer P800 GT-R @ Zandvoort test drive
 
New monster r35 gtr for the netherlands
:-):thumbup:

RC45 06-26-2010 11:50 AM

Has the car been lightened at all? If not, it is a 5 lap wonder, not to mention the cars he picks on for the "show off" are 150bhp econoboxes then when he catches up tot the winged Porsche into the gravel he goes LOL :lol: ;)

pagani 06-26-2010 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RC45 (Post 875217)
Has the car been lightened at all? If not, it is a 5 lap wonder, not to mention the cars he picks on for the "show off" are 150bhp econoboxes then when he catches up tot the winged Porsche into the gravel he goes LOL :lol: ;)

This is just a test nothing serious

RC45 06-27-2010 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by pagani (Post 875218)
This is just a test nothing serious

Still, if the car has not been lightened, it is nothing more than a 5 lap wonder.

The laws of physics still rule. Overweight and over powered means cooked brakes and tyres after a few laps. You have to divert the kinetic energy somewhere after the potential energy in the fuel is converted to torque and the car has built up insane speeds by the entry to the next corner and the braking mark approaches - some will be the heat out the brakes and then the tyres have the job of somehow maintaining grip.... eventually they will cook off - the heavier the car the sooner the tyres are toast.

Blame Sir Isaac Newton, not I ;)

pagani 06-27-2010 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RC45 (Post 875220)
Still, if the car has not been lightened, it is nothing more than a 5 lap wonder.

The laws of physics still rule. Overweight and over powered means cooked brakes and tyres after a few laps. You have to divert the kinetic energy somewhere after the potential energy in the fuel is converted to torque and the car has built up insane speeds by the entry to the next corner and the braking mark approaches - some will be the heat out the brakes and then the tyres have the job of somehow maintaining grip.... eventually they will cook off - the heavier the car the sooner the tyres are toast.

Blame Sir Isaac Newton, not I ;)

ok rc45

RC45 06-27-2010 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pagani (Post 875221)
ok rc45

fuckit - people sure are sensitive these days.

turpija 06-27-2010 06:21 AM

driver error for sure but he was probably on street legal slick which pretty much suck on wet road/track so he had significantly less grip.

@RC45, there are high performance brake discs that are fade free so brake cooking shouldn't be a major problem if the car is upgraded properly and tire managing is all on driver skill, lighter car would help but even heavy car can go for more then 5 laps if a good driver is driving and knows the weak spots of the car and adjusts his driving style accordingly

RC45 06-27-2010 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by turpija (Post 875224)
driver error for sure but he was probably on street legal slick which pretty much suck on wet road/track so he had significantly less grip.

@RC45, there are high performance brake discs that are fade free so brake cooking shouldn't be a major problem if the car is upgraded properly

There is no such thing as "high performance brakes" that makes up for excess weight - if there where, F1 cars would weight 10 tonnes.

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Originally Posted by turpija (Post 875224)
and tire managing is all on driver skill, lighter car would help but even heavy car can go for more then 5 laps if a good driver is driving and knows the weak spots of the car and adjusts his driving style accordingly


That is the entire point of the objection to excess weight (coupled with excess power that doesnt reall ymake up for it other than in a straightline from a stand still) - if you have to "adjust your driving for the cars weak spots" which in this case is braking early and light-footing it around that by definition means you will need to go slower that the "dynoqueen power" suggest you could - so why bother showing up with a 4000lb 800bhp car in the first palce, other than to brag and sell tungin kits (which is fin, thats a great business model and it is proven to work well :) )

If the car is heavy it will cook the brakes and tyres if the full power potential is extracted. That is just how it is. The overall performance extracted would be no better than a car that was lighter and had less power - if you have to scrub so much speed off before every brake marker to compensate for tyres and brakes that will be cooked in no time, you just defeated the purpose of blasting past everyone on the straights with the uber-horsepower. ;)

Just ask all those Elise/Exige and Caterham drivers that run circles around heavy cars after a coupel laps on technical circuits - bah... its a losing effort this debate, as 5 years ago euro and jap car fans where all about low weight and handling and made fun fo "heavy hight HP American" cars... btu the moment the euros and the japs got fat and high HP, suddenly it became fashionable... bah whatever, you win.. fat and powerful rules :)

turpija 06-28-2010 06:52 AM

meh.

Svensson 06-28-2010 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RC45 (Post 875217)
Has the car been lightened at all? If not, it is a 5 lap wonder, not to mention the cars he picks on for the "show off" are 150bhp econoboxes then when he catches up tot the winged Porsche into the gravel he goes LOL :lol: ;)

It is not a racing car by any means, nor is it a serious track day car. This guy is just having fun with his fast car on a track, nothing more. He doesn't have to win a 24H race or anything. Of course the car would perform better if it was lighter, as would any other car, but that's not the point.

pagani 06-29-2010 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Svensson (Post 875233)
It is not a racing car by any means, nor is it a serious track day car. This guy is just having fun with his fast car on a track, nothing more. He doesn't have to win a 24H race or anything. Of course the car would perform better if it was lighter, as would any other car, but that's not the point.

You hit the nail right on the head
Maby if everything go's ok i will have some footage of this car from the japanese car festival in september from the tt circuit at assen

RC45 06-30-2010 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Svensson (Post 875233)
It is not a racing car by any means, nor is it a serious track day car. This guy is just having fun with his fast car on a track, nothing more. He doesn't have to win a 24H race or anything. Of course the car would perform better if it was lighter, as would any other car, but that's not the point.

Then what is the point?

turpija 06-30-2010 02:54 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point :laugh:

pagani 06-30-2010 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RC45 (Post 875243)
Then what is the point?

The point that their is no point

Svensson 07-05-2010 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RC45 (Post 875243)
Then what is the point?

Like I said: "This guy is just having fun with his fast car on a track, nothing more."


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