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ZfrkS62 03-27-2005 03:51 AM

BMW News (All news and spy shots here please)
 
ok, with all the talk about the upcoming BMW cars with reference to their designations, i realize it can get confusing to some people, so i thought i would put together the Designation and Engine code table. These are for US vehicles. Obviously Europe has alot more diesel powered vehicles and alot of other varieties. Plus, Europe has the E87 1 series, the US doesn't :P

a few quick clear ups before going on:

Model indicators:
i = fuel injected
A = Automatic
C = Coupe
c = convertible
s = sport package
M = Motorsport
P = Protection
t = touring
e = economy
d = diesel
x = All wheel drive
Engine Code break down:

M = standard production engines
S = Motorsport engines
N = New Generation engines

\/------------ Engine code
M54 B 30<--- Displacement in Liters
/\ -------- Fuel type B= Benzine (German for gasoline)
.................................. d = Diesel

TU = Technical Update

That said, let's continue :D

E12 530i/A 75-78 M30B30 6cyl.
E12 528i/A 79-81 M30B28 6cyl.

E21 320i/A 77-83 M10B20 4cyl.

E23 733i/A 78-84 M30B32 6cyl.
E23 735i/A 85-87 M30B34 6cyl.
E23 L7 86-87 M30B34 6cyl.

E24 630CSi/A 77 M30B30 6cyl.
E24 633CSi/A 78-84 M30B32 6cyl.
E24 635CSi/A 85-89 M30B34 6cyl.
E24 L6/A 87 M30B34 6cyl.
E24 M6 87-88 S38B35 6cyl.

E28 528e/A 82-88 M20B27 6cyl.
E28 533i/A 83-84 M30B32 6cyl.
E28 535i/A 85-88 M30B34 6cyl.
E28 524Td/A 85-86 M21d24 6cyl.
E28 M5 88 S38B35 6cyl.

E30 318i/A 84-85 M10B18 4cyl.
E30 318i/s/C 91-92 M42B18 4cyl.
E30 325e/s/A 85-88 M20B27 6cyl.
E30 325i/s/C/x/A 87-91 M20B25 6cyl.
E30 M3 88-91 S14B23 4cyl.

E31 840Ci/A 94-95 M60B40 8cyl.
E31 840Ci/A 96-97 M62B44 8cyl.
E31 850i/A 91-94 M70B50 12cyl.
E31 850Ci/A 95-97 M73B54 12cyl.
E31 850CSi 94-95 S70B56 12cyl.

E32 735i/iL/A 88-91 M30B35 6cyl.
E32 740i/iL/A 92-94 M60B40 8cyl.
E32 750iL/A 88-94 M70B50 12cyl.

E34 525i/A 89-90 M20B25 6cyl.
E34 525i/t/A 91-92 M50B25 6cyl.
E34 525i/t/A 93-95 M52TUB25 6cyl.
E34 530i/t/A 94-95 M60B30 8cyl.
E34 535i/A 89-93 M30B35 6cyl.
E34 540i/A 94-95 M60B40 8cyl.
E34 M5 91-93 S38B36 6cyl.

E36 318i/s/C/A 92-95 M42B18 4cyl.
E36 318i/s/C/A 96-98 M44B19 4cyl.
E36/5 318ti/A 95 M42B18 4cyl.
E36/5 318ti/A 96-99 M44B19 4cyl.
E36 323is/C/A 98-99 M52B25 6cyl.
E36 325i/A 92 M50B25 6cyl.
E36 325i/s/C/A 93-95 M50TUB25 6cyl.
E36 328i/s/C/A 96-99 M52B28 6cyl.
E36 M3/A 95 S52B30 6cyl.
E36 M3/4/C/A 96-99 S52B30 6cyl. (i think 4 is Sedan)

E36/7 Z3 1.9i/A 96-98 M44B19 4cyl.
E36/7 Z3 2.3i/A 99-00 M52TUB25 6cyl.
E36/7 Z3 2.5i/A 01-03 M54B25 6cyl.
E36/7 Z3 2.8i/A 97-98 M52B28 6cyl.
E36/7 Z3 2.8i/A 99-00 M52TUB28 6cyl.
E36/7 Z3 3.0i/A 01-03 M54B30 6cyl.
E36/7 Z3 2.8i/C/A 99-00 M52TUB28 6cyl.
E36/7 Z3 3.0i/C/A 01-03 M54B30 6cyl.
E36/7 M Roadster 98-00 S52B32 6cyl.
E36/7 M Roadster 01-03 S54B32 6cyl.
E36/7 M Coupe 98-00 S52B32 6cyl.
E36/7 M Coupe 01-03 S54B32 6cyl.

E38 740i/iL/A 95 M60B40 8cyl.
E38 740i/iL/A 96-98 M62B44 8cyl.
E38 740i/iL/A/P 99-01 M62TUB44 8cyl.
E38 750iLA 95-98 M73B54 12cyl.
E38 750iLA/P 99-01 M73TUB 12cyl.

E39 525i/A 01-03 M54B25 6cyl.
E39 528i/A 97-98 M52B28 6cyl.
E39 528i/t/A 99-00 M52TUB 6cyl.
E39 530i/A 01-03 M54B30 6cyl.
E39 540i/A 97-99 M62B44 8cyl.
E39 540i/t/P/A 99-03 M62TUB44 8cyl.
E39 M5 00-03 S62B50 8cyl.

E46 323i/C/c/A 99-01 M52TUB25 6cyl.
E46 325i/C/c/X/A 01- M54B25 6cyl.
E46 328i/C/c/A 99-01 M52TUB28 6cyl.
E46 330i/C/c/X/A 01- M54B30 6cyl.
E46 M3/c 02- S54B32 6cyl.
E46 M3/c/SMG 03- S54B32 6cyl.

E52 Z8 01 S62B50 8cyl.

E53 X5 3.0i/A 01- M54B30 6cyl.
E53 X5 4.4i/A 00- M62TUB44 8cyl.
E53 X5 4.4i/A 02- N62B44 8ycl.
E53 X5 4.6iHP 02- N62B46 8cyl.
E53 X5 4.8is/A 03- N62B48 8cyl.

E60 525i/A 04-05 M54B25 6cyl.
E60 530i/A/SMG 04-05 M54B25 6cyl.
E60 545i/A/SMG 04-05 N62B44 8cyl.
E60 525i/A/SMG 06- N52B30 6cyl.
E60 530i/A/SMG 06- N52B30 6cyl.
E60 550i/A/SMG 06- N62B48TU 8cyl.
E60 M5 06- S85B50 10cyl

E61 525xit 06- N52B30 6cyl.
E61 530xit 06- N52B30 6cyl.
E61 550it 06- N62TUB48 8cyl.
(Fairly sure it's a 4.8L, but i have a nagging doubt that it's a 4.4)

E63 645Ci 04-05 N62B44 8cyl.
E63 650Ci 06- N62B48TU 8cyl.
E63 M6 07 S85B50 10cyl.

E64 645Cic 04-05 N62B44 8cyl
E64 650Cic 06- N62B48TU 8cyl

E65 745iA 02-05 N62B44 8cyl.
E65 750iA 06- N62B48TU 8cyl.
E65 760iA TBA* N73B60 12cyl.

E66 745LiA 02-05 N62B44 8cyl.
E66 750LiA 06- N62B48TU 8cyl.
E66 760LiA 03- N73B60 12cyl.

E67 745LiA/P 03-05 N62B44 8cyl.
E67 750LiA/P 06- N62B48TU 8cyl.
E67 760LiA/P 03- N73B44 12cy.

E70 X5 4.8i 07 N62B48o1 8cyl
E70 X5 3.0i 07 N52B30o1 6cyl

E83 X3 2.5i/A 04-06 M54B25 6cyl.
E83 X3 3.0i/A 04-06 M54B30 6cyl.
E83 X3 3.0si (LCI) 07 N52B30o1 6cyl

E85 Z4 2.5i/A/SMG 03-06 M54B25 6cyl.
E85 Z4 3.0i/A/SMG 03-06 M54B30 6cyl.
E85 M Roadster 07 S54B32 6cyl.
E85 Z4 3.0si (LCI) 07 N52B30o1 6cyl
E85 Z4 3.0i (LCI) 07 N52B30u1 6cyl

E86 Z4 Coupe 07 N52B30o1 6cyl
E86 M Coupe 07 S54B32 6cyl

E90 325i/A/SMG 06-07 N52B30 6cyl.
E90 330i/A/SMG 06-07 N52B30 6cyl.
E90 328i/A/x 07- N52B30o1 6cyl.
E90 328iA/x 07- N51B301? 6cyl.
E90 335i/A 07- N54B30o0 6cyl.

E91 325xit 06- 07 N52B30 6cyl
E91 330xit 06-07 N52B30 6cyl
E91 328xit 07- N52B30o1 6cyl

E92 328Ci/x 07- N52B30o1 6cyl
E92 335Ci 07- N54B30o0 6cyl

more explanations:
E36/5 = 3 door touring E46/16 = All Wheel Drive E46/3 (E39/3) = sport wagon E46/2 = coupe

That's the US list for now. I may adjust this to clear it up a bit more if anyone is confused by anything.

UPDATE (12-07-06)
With the 2007 MY, there has been a change in the engine designation. It finally makes sense!!

Keeping with the same format as before (N52B30) there has been some clarification and revision for what comes next. The TU designations have been dropped, and you may notice that the new suffix o1 or u1..pay attention now as it will all be explained :D

the first change comes in the numbered designation. The first number is the Engine Type. 4= 4cyl, 5= 6cyl, 6= 8 cyl, 7= 12cyl and 8= 10 cyl.
the second number is the engine system: 0= baisic engine; 1= SULEV/PZEV; 2= Valvetronic; 3= Gas w/ Direct Injection; 4=Gas w/DI + Turbo; 5= Dual Vanos + Valvetronic; 7= Diesel injection + Turbo

the Letter in the middle is still fuel type but there are some new additions to the possibilites here. Along with B and D, we now have E= Electric, G= Natural Gas and H= Hydrogen

next numbers are engine displacement in tenths of a liter (no change here)

and next is the engine's output rating: T= Top rating, O= High Output, M= Medium Output, U= Low output, K=Lowest output and 0= New Development

the final number is the version of the engine, numbered 1-9.

bmwdakias 03-27-2005 08:51 AM

Nice infoi, i am going to save this and i am waiting for the upcoming posts.Thanks

Skyliner 03-27-2005 05:18 PM

P? I have never heard about that one.... What model could you buy this option?

Toronto 03-27-2005 05:40 PM

knew this b4, but a great post for people who would like to learn about it,
good work ZfrkS62

TT 03-27-2005 05:40 PM

LOL somebody got some spare time in his hands, but out of curiosity, are we talking about US models only? There seem to be a few missing after a quick glance.. one above all, my own E36 320i ;)

ZfrkS62 03-27-2005 06:04 PM

I've updated it and it is now complete. Fortunatley all your questions so far were answered :wink:

neilo63 03-29-2005 12:38 AM

Good to know and reference to :mrgreen:

ZfrkS62 03-29-2005 01:10 AM

now imagine having to memorize all that, plus Engine Management System versions that went to each one and all their features :wink: That made up one 3 week class :wink:

SilviaEvo 03-29-2005 01:58 AM

Z just couldnt take the fact that i posted it faster than he did last time :roll: :wink: :lol: :P

ZfrkS62 03-29-2005 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilviaEvo
Z just couldnt take the fact that i posted it faster than he did last time :roll: :wink: :lol: :P

hahaha maybe :D But i'm going to add a little more to this thread i think :wink:

ZfrkS62 03-30-2005 12:25 AM

Ok, i got a chance to flip through the training book on the new engine technology class and scoped out the N52B30 that will be in the E90 330i, and all i can say is WOW :shock: Here's what i can remember:
  • Magnesium block and aluminum bolts shave 22lbs off the engine[/list[listValvetronic control is now integrated into the DME instead of having a seperate control unit as on the N62 and N73
  • The operation of the Valvetronic system has been simplified for the N52
  • Torque curve is nearly flat with peak torque coming in at 2500 RPM and holding until 4500 RPM, the HP curve is a steady shot straight upwards with peak HP coming in at 6800 RPM Redline is 7500
  • a new electric water pump is being used instead of the mechanical pump to reduce drag on the engine on deceleration
  • The oil pump is now a vane style, variable output pump designed to supply only the needed oil pressure to the engine at any given time. It's design is similar to that of a power steering pump
  • Aluminum bolts are marked and must be replaced if removed, bolts also must be torqued in a 2 step operation
  • As with the other two New Generation engines, the throttle body is used only for emergency fail safe modes, startup, and to produce the 30millibar of vacuum required to operate the fuel tank venting system. Vacuum for the brake booster is produced by a mechanically driven vacuum pump.

4-6: New cool stuff i read today:

The cylinder head and oil pan are seperated from the block by non conductive gaskets that protrude from engine to prevent dirt and water from bridging the magnesium block and aluminum head/oil pan and creating a conductive path.

the lower front timing cover is molded to the block (which sucks because that eliminates the possibility for a few hours when the car goes out of warranty since there will never be an oil leak from there :x ) and the timing chain assembley (cam sprockets chain and crank sprocket) is all one peice. I didn't see a picture of it but apparently the crank sprocket isn't even keyed to the crank :shock:

ZfrkS62 04-06-2005 08:08 PM

"When you set the bar, you feel obliged to raise it every now and then" -Transition page on the E90 microsite

"We began building a car, and ended up building a dynasty" -3 series heritage transition page

BMW M6 Convertible:

AUTOWEEK
Posted Date: 4/6/05

Close on the heels of the Geneva show world introduction of the M6 (AW, March 14), BMW engineers are already well into testing of a drop-top version of the performance coupe. Powered by a 5.0-liter 507-hp V10, the M6 convertible, shown here with body-colored camouflage panels on front and rear valances, should still be capable of 0-to-60-mph runs in less than five seconds, despite the added weight of a convertible top apparatus in place of the M6 coupe’s carbon fiber roof.

Seven-speed sequential manual transmission, speed-sensing variable locking differential, M-tuned two-mode steering, and modified stability control allowing more power oversteer complete the mechanical package. The M6 coupe goes on sale in the United States in mid-2006, most likely as an ’07 model, followed by the M6 convertible.

[img=http://img139.exs.cx/img139/2874/1021368dt.th.jpg][/img] [img=http://img139.exs.cx/img139/9049/bmwm6rearview0eb.th.jpg][/img]

I am currently searching for info on the X5 Coupe that is going to be ready for 2008. But so far nothing :?


How about 7 series facelift info? :D http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/01/au...3nug-bmw7.html you will have to register to read the article

FIRST GLANCE
An Ever-So-Subtle Nip and a Tuck for the 7 Series


2006 BMW 7-Series
By JIM McCRAW

Published: April 1, 2005


Introduced on Wednesday: 2006 BMW 7 Series

What's the point? In spite of its controversial body design and tall Bangle-butt rear end, named for Chris Bangle, BMW's design chief, the 7 Series is the best-selling flagship in the company's history. This facelifted 7 Series does mess with a winner, with design, engine, and interior tweaks throughout, and serves to calm down the styling a bit.

Is it real? It's as real as can be, and BMW aims to sell even more of them than the previous best-seller.

The company line: BMW of North America's Tom Purves told the assembled journalists that one of the 7 Series' many improvements is a revised (again) iDrive system, the controversial, troublesome one-knob controller than works in conjunction with the video screen to control dozens of electronic, climate, navigation and entertainment functions. Good.

The view from here: There are only a few sedans in the world that we would put in the Whispering Hammer class, and the 7-Series is certainly one of them: fast, agile and comfortable as your own easy chair. We don't think the revisions to the rear bodywork, spoiler and lamps go far enough, but then, you can't see the butt end from the driver's seat.

What makes it tick? Four different models will be offered, as before. The starter models are the 750i and long-wheelbase 750Li with a larger, more powerful 4.8-liter V-8 engine making 360 horsepower, coupled to a 6-speed automatic. The senior versions will be the 5.0-liter V-12-powered 760i and long-wheelbase 760Li, using a 438-horsepower V-12 engine.

How much? How soon? The facelifted 7 Series will be in showrooms in May. The 750i will be priced at $71,195, the 750Li at $75,195, the 760i at $110,695, and the 760Li at $118,095.

styla21 04-06-2005 09:33 PM

Awesome info agan Zfrk! I love it. The 3 series seems to have a pretty neat mechanical package. As somebody who works with the internals, do these new "improvements" make your life more difficult, or does it simplify what mechanics will need to do to the cars. I would assume servicing for e.g. is becoming more electonical, thus less time spent manually fixing things?

ZfrkS62 04-06-2005 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by styla21
Awesome info agan Zfrk! I love it. The 3 series seems to have a pretty neat mechanical package. As somebody who works with the internals, do these new "improvements" make your life more difficult, or does it simplify what mechanics will need to do to the cars. I would assume servicing for e.g. is becoming more electonical, thus less time spent manually fixing things?


So far the New Generation engines have been fairly bullet proof mechanically. Most of the problems have all been software problems, but usually if there is a mechanical issue, BMW knows about it and has a bullitein out on it before we ever come across it.

I took apart the N62 in school and haven't had to remove the valve covers in the field yet. Doing it in school wasn't that bad. I'll know how hard or easy it is when i go to the class (whenever that may be). But from what i hear, it's pretty simple.

ZfrkS62 04-12-2005 10:19 PM

Speculations about the E90 M3 have been zipping around in some circles about the possibilty of the M3 going after the C6 Z06.

It is being rumored, though no way to confirm it at this point, that the reported power output of 400HP is too low, and that it is closer to 475HP, with a possibilty of the displacement being closer to 4.5Liters, bringing the bhp/L a little higher than 100. With the E90 bing lighter than the E46, this should be a great omen for the power/weight ratio of the M3.

What is interesting about this is that the M Roadster will be recieving the same V8, though more than likely detuned slightly as the E36/7 M Roadster put out a mere 315HP@6800RPM comapred to the M3's 333HP@6800RPM. However, the E85 M Roadster will have a better power/weight ratio to compensate. Though it is not going to come close to the E60 M5, it should comfortably carve it's niche not too far below. :twisted:

wether or not the M3 will be 32HP weaker than the M5, it will still be a potent machine and a force to be reckoned with. But should this rumor come out to be true...RC is going to be sweating bullets when he checks his rearview :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

findleybeast 04-13-2005 02:03 AM

haha like how that last line rhymed...

great thread ZfrkS62. by the way, have there been any problems with valvetronics? i know they haven't been around too long, but I figured having an electric motor involved in such an important engine task might have a big risk of burning out or something. really wondering just out of curiousity.
oh yeah, and why did they want to keep the magnesium block from being conductive? afraid it might burst into flames?

SilviaEvo 04-13-2005 02:51 AM

hmmmmmmmm i want the M3 :lol: :lol: :lol: . i hope it will be 475. then there is the CSL version to consider. but i dont think they will make the M3 475hp because the CSL should be around there? just a guess

ZfrkS62 04-13-2005 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by findleybeast
haha like how that last line rhymed...

great thread ZfrkS62. by the way, have there been any problems with valvetronics? i know they haven't been around too long, but I figured having an electric motor involved in such an important engine task might have a big risk of burning out or something. really wondering just out of curiousity.
oh yeah, and why did they want to keep the magnesium block from being conductive? afraid it might burst into flames?

the valvetronic system has been nearly bullet proof so far. going from min. to max lift, the motors may spike at 100AMPS but they only take a few milliseconds to hit full throttle. the rest of the time they just make fine adjustments based on the values the accelerator pedal is sending to the valvetronic computer. There are 4 failsafe programs that are used if there
is a fault in the system however. depending on what went wrong. the worst case scenario, being "call the tow truck or idle back to the dealer".

Magnesium, being very light, will corrode rapidly once it starts to go. so, if you start running electricity through it, it may start to pit. the intake manifold on the 760 is already magnesium so they have been watching it closely to determine any problems before they made an engine out of it. I'm pretty confident we won't see any massive problems.

Silvia- with the accepted rumors thus far, the CSL will be at about 420HP. But if the numbers for the standard are anywhere near correct, you could see the CSL at maybe 485-490.
If the speculation is high though, and the M3 produces even 415-425HP, the CSL still may approx 450. However don't hold your breath on it coming stateside as the emissions will more than likely kill that dream.

jakaracman 04-13-2005 05:55 PM

Wow, nice. Finaly all these designations on one spot. Now we just need E90 and refreshed 7 series added (730, 740, 750) ... And of course all of the diesels ...

ZfrkS62 04-13-2005 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakaracman
Wow, nice. Finaly all these designations on one spot. Now we just need E90 and refreshed 7 series added (730, 740, 750) ... And of course all of the diesels ...

i don't know what the European designations are since BMW-NA doesn't see any reason that we should know it.

The facelifted 7 will still be the E65/66, and won't get a new designation until the next chassis is decided on.

ZfrkS62 04-15-2005 05:11 PM

We just got a shippment of 5 2006 E60's in today. 2 525's and 3 530's. The E90 should be following within the next couple of weeks.

this is our first look at the N52 in the metal 8) Both the 525 and 530 are 3.0 inline 6 engines. The difference between them is the intake and programming. I think the same will go for the 325 and 330. Notice that the headlights are now blacked out instead of having the chrome reflector. I think it looks a tad more aggressive now 8)
http://img166.echo.cx/img166/4861/dscf00012ry.th.jpghttp://img166.echo.cx/img166/48/dscf00024aq.th.jpg

note the 7,000RPM redline:
http://img166.echo.cx/img166/9536/dscf00038fs.th.jpg

Also the designations list has been updated to include the new cars. No E90 yet as i am going to wait until they get unloaded from the transport truck first 8)

ZfrkS62 04-16-2005 12:29 AM

BMW has announced the the US will see the return of diesel powered vehicles in 2007. The X5 will most likely be the first recipient of the engine which is going to be a sequential twinturbo set up on an inline 6 (think Toyota Supra TT setup)

LotusGT1 04-16-2005 04:39 AM

http://totalcar.index.hu/images/test.../bmw316_01.jpg

Was also a E36 316i available...

ZfrkS62 04-16-2005 02:02 PM

^^ yes, but as i said in the first post, that list covered US models only.

jakaracman 04-16-2005 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZfrkS62
Quote:

Originally Posted by jakaracman
Wow, nice. Finaly all these designations on one spot. Now we just need E90 and refreshed 7 series added (730, 740, 750) ... And of course all of the diesels ...

i don't know what the European designations are since BMW-NA doesn't see any reason that we should know it.

The facelifted 7 will still be the E65/66, and won't get a new designation until the next chassis is decided on.

I meant new engines in the 7 series ... Engine codes change ...

jakaracman 04-16-2005 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZfrkS62
BMW has announced the the US will see the return of diesel powered vehicles in 2007. The X5 will most likely be the first recipient of the engine which is going to be a sequential twinturbo set up on an inline 6 (think Toyota Supra TT setup)

Thats the engine from 535d. It's amazing (drove it for 2 weeks a month ago), in wet traction control light stays on thru 3rd gear an flicks in 4th (tat would be 100 mph, I guess) ...

ZfrkS62 04-16-2005 07:22 PM

as far as i know, for the US the 7 won't be getting any new engines. however for the European market, the 735(?) will probably have the N52B30 this year along with the rest of the 06 models.

dutchmasterflex 04-18-2005 11:42 AM

they're bringing the diesel here?

ZfrkS62 04-18-2005 04:03 PM

yup, in anopther two years. I just hope they dont' run into the same issue with the diesel here that mercedes ran into years ago. Apparently from what i remember from an ex coworker who was guite involved with Mercedes in the 80's, the paraffin content is too high in the US for the engineering at that time from Mercedes. So it ended up gumming things up.

BMW ran into a similiar problem with the fuel and the cylinder walls of the M60 V8. The fuel ate away at the coating causing misfires, so BMW replaced the entire first run of the M60 with the M60/2 prior to the release of the M62.

ZfrkS62 04-18-2005 06:52 PM

Ok, as jakaracman mentioned, the 745 is gone and replaced with the 750 (same as 545-550 and 645-650) The N62B44 is being replaced with the N62B48TU as of 5/05 for the 06 model year.

the power is now up to about 360HP@6100RPM

ConRod bolts are narrower, down from 22MM wide to 18MM, Crankshaft has been changed from a graphite alloy to steel to handle the higher stress. and the main bearings are now a 3 piece bearing.

The intake has been completely changed from the opening all the way to the DISA unit (variable intake runner length) The DISA unit is no longer infinetly variable as on the N62B44, but now a two stage short/long runner.

The list has also been updated with the changes.
:D

ferrarif1fan89 04-19-2005 06:21 PM

wow, i need to bookmark this page.

e46drew 04-19-2005 07:16 PM

after being in service fo years all this seams kinda redundent to me :|

ZfrkS62 04-19-2005 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e46drew
after being in service fo years all this seams kinda redundent to me :|

Did you work for BMW drew? I know you have mentioned that you have been involved in motorsports for a number of years. What all has that involved?


4-19 update:

Our FSE dropped by today so i managed to get a little info :D Here's the few tidbits i got:

E60 M5 6speed is a confirmed thing for the North American market. No specs on the ratios yet, but i am guessing they will be fairly drawn out in 5th and 6th right up to the 155MPH limit.

BMW's rep at the Aftersales Confrence this year stood up and in front of the whole group (Field Service Engineers, Warranty Reps ,etc ) said the E90 is the highest quality vehicle BMW has ever produced. It beats the E46 M3 in the slalom like it's nothing. With the Dynamic Drive introduced in the E65, and AFS introduced in the E60, it is going to be one of the most agile machines on the road.

E90 M3: No confirmation on the 400 vs 475 rumor i mentioned last week as he hasn't heard any other news from Germany on it. But look for it to have the 7 speed SMG as well 8)

e46drew 04-19-2005 08:51 PM

i've been a technician from 1996, working on sport bikes, cruisers, personal watter craft ( jet skies) snowmobiles and A.T.V.s. Not as well paying as cars, but I think more fun.
My comment was because , and of corse your new at the game and still excited, but it all blends in, and really its all the same. there is a piston a crank, some cams some other whatnot and sensors wires and a few modules. Some preform better then others and some are cheep junk. I mostly enjoy the thrill of driving, or riding exciting things. Its the technical blah thats not fun any more.
Sure things are getting lighter and faster( according to a friend in the plastics industry) there is testing of plastic engine components soon to be mass produced, i.e. throttle bodies, valve covers, intake manifolds and the such to come, sure its all neat stuff, but i just want to take it to the limit, and let the event speak for it self.
Kinda like a test drive i took in a vett last week, the salesman went through about a half hour of neat new features about the car, then i went for a drive and then could feal some excitement, but the going on about electric this and gizmo that, its just boring now. I just want seat of the pants thrill. 8)

ZfrkS62 04-19-2005 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by e46drew
i've been a technician from 1996, working on sport bikes, cruisers, personal watter craft ( jet skies) snowmobiles and A.T.V.s. Not as well paying as cars, but I think more fun.
My comment was because , and of corse your new at the game and still excited, but it all blends in, and really its all the same. there is a piston a crank, some cams some other whatnot and sensors wires and a few modules. Some preform better then others and some are cheep junk. I mostly enjoy the thrill of driving, or riding exciting things. Its the technical blah thats not fun any more.
Sure things are getting lighter and faster( according to a friend in the plastics industry) there is testing of plastic engine components soon to be mass produced, i.e. throttle bodies, valve covers, intake manifolds and the such to come, sure its all neat stuff, but i just want to take it to the limit, and let the event speak for it self.
Kinda like a test drive i took in a vett last week, the salesman went through about a half hour of neat new features about the car, then i went for a drive and then could feal some excitement, but the going on about electric this and gizmo that, its just boring now. I just want seat of the pants thrill. 8)

I see what you're getting at now. Even some of the older guys at work though are amazed by some of this stuff. The power ratings are climbing, along with the fuel mileage and engine displacements aren't climbing all that much either.

The things that are amazing me, is more the engine elecronics. the VANOS and Valvetronic systems are amazing. And now with the E90, we could see the beginning of complete O2 control over fuel injector on times and the phasing out of the mass air flow meters. Europe is already seeing the wide band lambda sensors taking the place of convetional O2s.

The typical engine is boring to me, yes. But it's the advancement of the technology that is amazing me. Just wait for my post on the M5 engine electronics :wink:

ZfrkS62 04-20-2005 08:56 PM

The first face lifted 7 series has arrived. A 2006 750i 8) The E65/66's looks are a big improvement over the start of the run, and i was a fan of the first style, so i'm lovin the new one with the exception that it now looks like the car is smiling, compared to the stern stare the 02-05 7 series had :?

http://img243.echo.cx/img243/8715/dscf00104dl.th.jpghttp://img243.echo.cx/img243/9027/dscf00114qu.th.jpghttp://img243.echo.cx/img243/225/dscf00122lg.th.jpg

As you can all see, the style is not as harsh now as the headlights have been reshaped. Note the point they come to on the inside corners. Not as drastic as the E60 but it does soften up the look of the front end nicely.

The trunk lid got the restyle for the rear, now with a lip a "spoiler" lip at the back of it, a chrome ring around the Roundel, and a neater looking stoplight set up. I'm thinking some people are now going to say the rear looks cluttered, but IMO this is an improvement 8)

E90's are slated to arrive around the 29th of this month :D

ZfrkS62 04-23-2005 01:12 PM

The E91 3 series Sport Wagon will be officially unveiled at the Frankfurt Motorshow in September this year. (anyone with a camera in the area, please go check it out :D )

The Sports Wagon will be availible in October in the US as a 325xi, with a rear wheel drive model following n 2006.

It will come standard with a 6speed manual, and have a 6 speed STEPTRONIC automatic transmission availible as an option (approx. $1,250 extra)

New DSC features

Brake Drying:
Employing the rain sensor used for the automatic windshield wipers, the brake pads will be brought to the rotors just enough to clear away any water film on the rotors without causing a brake application.

Brake Standby:
In the event that the driver suddenly lets off the accelerator, the DSC unit will bring the pads to the rotors to decrease the lag time of initial brake action.

MSRP: $34,695
Typical equip: $39,345

ZfrkS62 04-27-2005 11:56 PM

We recieve 5 E90's yesterday, but like the useless retard i am, i forgot my camera 2 days in a row :roll:

If i rememeber right, we got 3 330i's and 3 325i's. one 6 speed (silver 330) and the rest automatics ( :? ) I dont' remember which colors we got (the 325 i PDI'd was Arctic Silver, a 330 was silver, and another is black..)

These things move and stop moving fucking quick :D

I'll take pics tomorrow and have them up in the evening. (i'm GMT -5, so i dont' know what time of the day that is for everyone)

Every dealer in the country got their first 5 E90's yesterday, and will get the rest of their allotment on May 6th, which is the official retail date.

blah 04-28-2005 01:24 AM

i will stop by my BMW dealer to see if the E90 is in. O btw Zfrk i was checking out video from bimmerfest that a friend took, and he captured the E60 M5, and a black 330I E90 from what it looks like. :P

ZfrkS62 04-28-2005 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by blah
i will stop by my BMW dealer to see if the E90 is in. O btw Zfrk i was checking out video from bimmerfest that a friend took, and he captured the E60 M5, and a black 330I E90 from what it looks like. :P

where was this bimmerfest?

Just_me 04-28-2005 02:24 AM

Im so happy cause Im probably the only one at jabbas who has driven the new 320 and 330i :fist: :mrgreen:

blah 04-28-2005 02:25 AM

It was held at a BMW dealer in SB. You never heard of it???


http://www.bimmerfest.com/ Info on it

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...=95601&page=1- some pics

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...p?t=95619-This thread has most links from other sites to pics. Enjoy i hope you have no work tommarow because you will be on this for a while.

ZfrkS62 04-28-2005 08:21 AM

@ Just_me: I've driven both 325 and 330 :fist: :P :wink: we don't have the 320 here.

@blah: and these links i will have to check out. I wasn't even aware that the M5 was in the states yet :?

blah 04-28-2005 01:11 PM

It had Distrubtor Plates on it.

ZfrkS62 04-28-2005 10:07 PM

That means it was some BMW rep. Were they Cali. or Georgia plates? He was probably the FSE or Product Development Manager (i think that's their title) or higher. Those guys are lucky as hell. BMW gives them a car and pays all their insurance :( and they get to pick the car!! :?

*EDIT* I have the pics of the E90's and will post them tomorrow if i'm concious enough after work. 2 of them got picked up i think because i only found 3 of them. The black and silver 330s and the arctic silver 325. I know we had a graphite 325 and i think the 5th was another black one.

blah 04-29-2005 02:58 AM

It had Cali Plates.

Toronto 04-29-2005 03:28 AM

Blah is this the car you are talking about?
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/att...chmentid=48901
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/att...chmentid=48902
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/att...chmentid=48903

cause it looks like an m5, but what is with the two tone body (front and back?)
and the feb. tag on the plates?

blah 04-29-2005 03:32 AM

Yea thats the M with the camo. There was also a 3 series there too E90.

Just_me 04-29-2005 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ZfrkS62
@ Just_me: I've driven both 325 and 330 :fist: :P :wink: we don't have the 320 here.

@blah: and these links i will have to check out. I wasn't even aware that the M5 was in the states yet :?

*LOL* well, then I was the first dude here :D

how is 325i compared to 330i? Can you actually feel that 330i is faster than 325i?

ZfrkS62 04-29-2005 07:48 AM

^^ yes you can feel a very nice difference 8) The 330 has a little more power than the E36 M3 and the 325 is a tad bit under. As i said about the 525 vs 530, the difference is in the intake and ignition map.

Handling characteristics are about the same unless it has AFS or dynamic drive


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