General Motors News - Jalopnik releases rendering of C7 ZR1
 

hey RC, what info do you have on the BLUE DEVIL, i read somewhere that will have the 7.0 V8 with a supercharger 600hp, other say a V12. 100,000$+

http://www.corvetteconti.com/welcome...=295&Itemid=29

http://www.corvetteconti.com/welcome...=103&Itemid=47
(inclucdes one of my "spy-shots" somewhat recognized by the vette community)

nobody knows what the future super-vette will look like... but with some luck, JW may be the first to see it ;)

Well sadly the real is probably that the engine will be small displacement, forced induction - heavier and more complex and less effective overall.

GM can just about stay in business selling shitty cheap cars - they have no busiiness trying to make $100,000+ cars that will slow and heavy like Lamborghinis...

If people wanted a ferrari or Porsch or Lamborghini, that's what they would buy - variety is the spice of life.

Ahh, here comes the quick and dirty way of HP gain again.........there's so much more one can do to that LS7 engine for more HP, but noo, they want to use a supercharger. :|

i also read 2800lb :twisted: and 600hp are goooood IMO

2800lb?? That's highly unlikely

Take a look at the Porsche Carrera GT numbers.. imagine the price of the CGT if it only weighed 2800lbs...

My guess is that the project will either get scrapped or delayed heavily due to the current financial issues of GM. There's not much market for a $100,000+ Chevy. If they do make it, I'd guess that of course there would be those who would buy it, but it would be the same people that bought the Ford GT.

Much easier to buy a regular Z06 and make some mods to get the same performance for way less price.

its not a coupe ;) it might have been (slightly) cheaper if it weren't a roadster/hardtop, and definately would've weighed in under 3000 lbs.

somehow, i dont think 600hp is thier goal... if it is going to be a 6.2-6.3 liter dohc S/C'd v8... ford have already done near about 600 sae hp in the GT... and still quite some potential left in that engine ;)

i haven't heard anything new on this subject in a about 3 months now.... but they were originally gunning for #1 @NS. the development time on the engine alone seems to warrent it will be used for something.

maybe they want it to have more tunable aftermarkted opportunities, although would be stupid, but maybe.

one thing all info sources have come up with, is that will use CF in various body parts.

Agree with RC45 on this. GM is having a hard time keeping it's head above water with it's economy/family car lineup that building a "super vette" with a possible target market near $100,000 would just be going backwards for GM. The Z06 is more than enough for track/road and pretty damn light and perfect market price to compete with the top European names.

I'd hardly call a Murcielago "slow" when it's faster than a Z06, unless that's a "slow" car too.....

CTS Super V?
 

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/4143/bilde0gr.jpg

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../60327014/1024

Ohhh - that's a nice GrandPa Caddy.. ;) -- eating M5's and M6's for lunch... :P

Are they really making a Super V? or is that just a body kit...

an LS7 would be a beautiful thing in that engine bay...

edit:

heh, guess I was too eager to read the article and posted too soon..

:shock: That thing is gonna be a serious beast.. Whats the curb weight on a CTS-V vs a E60 M5 anyway?

Without such high performance sports cars, GM will be nothing but a crappy car manufacturer. Having a fast Cadi / Chevy, at least ppl will bring it up in car forums and serve it promotional purpose. To show my point, we do have an American Muscle section :wink:

There are number of 427ci LS6/C5R block CTS-V's on the street, and a couple of Twin Turbo cars as well.. I have run into a N/A 427 that was being worked on in Houston... pretty damn fast... but then again 540rwhp will do that to you, even if you are a 3800lb 4-door sedan ;)

(the M5 is about 4100lbs.. :P)

Meh pretty pointless car i think GM has it's sports car lineup sorted with the Vettes no point in making superfast sedans because i can't think of anyone who would choose this over an M5 M6 CLS well except for you RC45. Maybe caddilac should focus on the interior instead of using plastic.

Well - there must be a lot of folks that think liek I do.. M5 performance at M3 prices.. ;) - as it is Caddy sells every CTS-V they make.

I am sure you are aware that the CTS-V is actually a superbly handling super-sedan, and is raced very succesfully - it is NOT an AMG style cruise mobile by any stretch of the imaginaiotn.

it is a hard-core, hard-edged sports car with 4 doors, that in the right hands will outlap an M3 and the previous generation (400hp) M5.. ;)

Watching the CTS-V race car outrun and outgun the GT3 RS's, Viper ACR's and C6 race cars on Speedvision GT is an education in itself.. :P

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as seen in my photographs i've so far posted; CTS V's sell very well indeed... so any comment saying "when will GM learn..." is pure CRAP... its more likely you have something to learn by it ;)

not to mention... there are already numerous STS-V's, and XLR-V's around town w/out Manufacturer plates on them 8)

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again, this points to marketing... and cobalts are selling well themselves...

and isnt the GTi the "special" version of the Golf :wink: so for an additional $5000+ you have the VAG GTi with about 200 hp, or the Cobalt SS with about 200 hp... both handle well... and unlike past GM economy cars... the Cobalt SS is put together well.

which would i choose? well... the GTi... but the SS has another year on the market ahead of the Golf GTi.

the V isnt a ultra-low volume car... sure, its not as high volume as the "standard" models... but its profit margins are larger. and a REAL buyer in the showroom... the fact that the V is faster then the M, or the S badges or RS badging... that DOES matter. you get a faster, and better performing car then what Audi, BMW, and MB can; at a fraction of the cost.

what these guys lose out on...? interior trim; and high maintanence costs... small price to pay for the guys who love going fast.

so... being that the V's are selling... doesn't that mean that the REAL buyers in the showroom are taking notice?

^^ I am an old VW fan, coming from a loyal VW family, and the new GTi does not appeal to me - it's a hype car, a coffee shop car, a fad car if ever there was one... :)

I am not in the business of "car business" so I could care less whether VW, GM or Ferrari survive.. I am in the "business" of enjoying and liking what I buy ;)

$50K vs $90K - thats quite a bit cheaper.. ;)

Well, the Citroen Xsara and the Ford Focus are the best rally cars and that doesn't mean that a Xsara or a Focus are the ultimate driving machines. I think that comparing racing cars to street cars is something ridiculous

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hard to say, mate... the economy is doing much better outside Michigan...

71/79ths is still a fraction :P (well, i dont think the XLR V is worth the asking price... same with the XLR)

Ever driven a CTS-V?

The literal interpratation of the CTS-V is a Corvette Z06 (previous model) with 600lbs. added too it. It can't be a bad car by any means, i hate the interior still, but it's a corvette at heart. But beyond that, is the LS9 something that is actually being worked on?

100% does exist, and no confirmed production plans... but we saw the 7.0 being tested in a V @ NS... why not a supercharged 6.2??

nice ! I love the CTS, both versions, and now this one... 500 hp sounds crazy, and it looks great !

This CTS super V will keep BMW, Audi, and Mercedes on their toes.

The ford focus handles very well... im confused.

Most likely this isn't a super CTS-V, but is either the next gen C6 z06 or Camaro Z/28.
You guys are gonna go nuts when you hear about the Z/28 power numbers. :wink:
Sir, what do you do for a living?

GM spent good money on key things like the engine.

The best thing about the CTV-V is that it is built by GM which means terrific depreciation which means terrific second hand value. I mean you can get a 2004 car with 20K miles on the clock for about $35K vs 53K when new. GM no longer is crap quality - it may not be Audi quality but not crap anymore.

I havent researched this car much so I am not sure if it suffered from any issues. I havent driven one yet so cant comment on its ride/feel, etc.

i am very close to to GM and Ford ... i think that is enough to say... :wink: ... but it's still largely ignored

i think its safe to say that its because of me that first word of the 6.2 in testing got out... :P ... although, i could be mistaken :lol:

GM might have grounds to sue for those photos, dani :lol: i dont think they will... those photos have been out since mid-feb. unfortunately, i haven't found anything "that interesting" :lol: during my short trips over there.

i really love the fender flairs

I really don't like the look of the CTS... it's so... so blocky, especially the headlights, I just don't like that look at all *shrug*

The power is impressive tho'!

^^ It's called masculine and muscular... appeals to a different kind of man than the girly lines of some cars... :P ;)

True true...

Personally, I'll just think of the designers being piss poor at making something attractive and cool ;)

just wait for the new one, BMW and Merc should be scared, I have seen pics of the car, the inside is great, and the car is gorgous, if you want pics I will post them???

To me this CTS V looks much more badass then the new M5 which has those stupid girly eyebrow headlights.



http://img101.imagevenue.com/loc159/...MW_M5_7144.jpg
http://img105.imagevenue.com/loc52/t...V_EXTERIOR.jpg

That depends where you look :wink:

CTS Super-V is not european so it must suck...
 

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphoto...r-v-spy-photos

http://www.americancarfans.com/spyph...002.mini1L.jpg
http://www.americancarfans.com/spyph...002.mini2L.jpg


Cadillac CTS Super-V Spy Photos
by Andreas Conradt
Copyright by AUTOMEDIA
04-19-2006

Super Vee
We got up-close and personal with this Cadillac, and it's obvious that this isn't an "ordinary" CTS V Series! Although the V Series Cadillacs would be considered anything but ordinary, this is a far more aggressive model. Custom bodywork, huge rear tires, larger exhaust pipes, and an engine sound unlike any other CTS, leads us to believe this is the long-rumoured Super V Series. Sources are telling us that the all-new CTS may not arrive as scheduled for the 2008 model year, but may run 5 or 6 months late and enter the luxury-power races as an early 2009 model (in early 2008). And many are speculating that Cadillac will offer this exclusive "build out model" as a last hurrah for the exiting model.
We've been told that the car we shot is likely powered by the Corvette's LS7 powerplant, a 7.0-liter V8 with 505 horsepower. Powerful enough? If not, just wait for the next-generation CTS Super V with the rumoured LS9 engine – a supercharged 6.2-litre V8 with 600 horsepower.

It's ok - lets save the haters some trouble..

The CTS Super-V sucks - it is cheap junk - it is behind the BMW M5 by 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000001 sec so it must be pure crap.

In fact I think I will change the topic title to please the haters... ;)

by behind the M5, i have a hard time believing that its actually slower then an M5... more torque; just as much power... likely less weight? ;) speed limiter? ;)

LMAO at the new topic name :lol:

that thing looks like a serious beast from that ass shot!
I'm sure this will be just as fast, if not faster than the E60 M5. "Theres no replacement for displacement."


hilarious new topic names RC ;) Which member is responsible for starting this?

why would anybody want a Porsche GT2 with its wide and tacked-on flairs?

why would anybody want the homologation special DTM cars with thier tacked on flairs?

answer:
because they go faster, and handle better--- not for posing :)

Really?

You clowns only posts shit here to help bolster your "us cars suck" outlook anyway, so this saved you some troule :)
See - you have an insult buried in that compliment ;) :P