Japanese cars have replaced de american muscle??
 

since the camaro was taken off the market, the mustang has no performance/price competitor, now a days the shit is between EVO AND IMPREZA STI, have you forgotten the old muscle and fall into the hands of inline power?? does affordable american power disapeared or its just a period, will GM appeared with a concept to compete with FORD??

please let me know your you opinion!!! thanx :P

Lol, you wish Japan has replaced American muscle (points to Corvette C6, the New mustang, the new lightning, the new SRT-10 RAM/Vipers, Ford GT, Saleen S7, and Pontiac GTO.)

blah, i meant in the performance/price market, of course that in higher market, where the corvette, viper, saleen the japanese cars have no chance, but i meant in the area of 35k$ or less, maybe the pontiac GTO have a chance to stand for, but i meant if they have replaced the competition between cars, (camaro vs. mustang) now is (evo vs impreza), but thats the competition in a lower market, but the corvette vs viper comp. is still there
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cuz' americans are looking for import power, wheter you like ot or not

used C5 vettes are going for around the 35K area, you can get cobras in some parts of american for GT prices.

Yea, but look under the hood, its a damn truck engine, if that at american muscle what is?

The American manufacturers shifted their production to more profitable SUVS and trucks. I hate SUVs and truck drivers, they cant drive or park period. As for American performance cars, yes, they've moved further upmarket just like the Germans. Management-wise, it's harder to extract the same productivity from European and American auto-workers (unionized) than from Japanese auto workers (used to be guaranteed lifetime job) so the Germans and Americans are constantly moving further and further upmarket.

Times are changing, man. People also want build quality and handling these days which, quite frankly, domestics (with a few exceptions) don't have. There is hope, however. The new GTO is quite promising, and , if they get it right, the new Mustang could be great too.

Oh yeah, they also don't want their cars to be ugly as hell.

You guys have a misconception about domestics, The door panels may come off, the knobs on the radio may break, but that engine will last alot of beatings.

most americans can't afford having a ferrari, lambo, or even a corvette, not cuz' of the price, cuz' you can get a corvette for 17k$ but the price to maintain it is high, or at least more expensive to run a subaru, what i meant is that since the camaro is dead the competition between the mustang is over, if you ask a car enthusiast its more probable that he is gonna choose a s2000 or a evo 8 or a sti instead of a mustang, so that means that the american muscle among the market that is focused for: more performance, less price...in that market has died, the young people are not looking for muscles like the camaro and mustangs, they are looking for sti's, evo's, impreza and hondas, and modified cars, (wich i really dont like- blah- cuz' if i could i would buy a plymounth barracuda or a small block or a dodge challenger eith 440hp) but people know looks for performance/price/gas mileage, lol, but you can't get that from a muscle, you have performace/price, but not gas mileage :roll:

if you want american performance, it'll cost you at least 30 grand for an SVT and at least 40 grand for a vette. They moved upmarket.

actually, my folks had a new ford windstar few years ago, all the panels stayed on, but requiring to rebuild something with less than 8k's on a new vehcile not covered by warrenty sucks.
whats expected is that the value dropped more than 1/2 when they tried to get rid of it.

snacky, i know that those are prices for NEW cars, but i meant USED cars, i've seen some corvettes under 19k$ on ebay, i dont understand what you tried to say?? sorry

i dont need to have 26 to know more about cars than you do, but i meant STOCK cars not moded, i know that a hhigly modded supra or a 1000hp skyline can beat a saleen or a viper, and even the stock evo can beat a viper, but a EVO is not a stock car even if they sell the car from a dealership the car is modded from factory, the stock lancer is 1.3 li 4 cyl with like 108 hp, and i have been reading,watching, seeing, about cars since i was 9, so i know pretty much abut cars.... :mrgreen: thanxs for your opinion