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styla21 06-19-2008 08:15 PM

Lewis Hamilton... Arrogant?
 
This is not my personal opinion - yet.

However it is being discussed around the web (itv-f1.com) and other commentary that Lewis Hamilton has developed a bit of attitude this year.

I'm finding now the more that I read his comments or in the press, I can understand why.
Perhaps it's a lack of people skills? Or just really focused on the race..
But you cannot answer people like this and expect it to be taken warmly.

Q: (Anne Giuntini - L’Equipe) Sorry to disturb you, Lewis, but is it what you call a small incident involving Kimi being a victim? Is it smaller than a mistake that would annoy only you?
LH:
That’s what I just said, didn’t I?


From ITV
Quote:

Have you noticed a small change in Lewis Hamilton’s attitude recently? His reply when asked by Louise about his qualifying lap of "Good car, good team....(long pause and smile) great driver," is I think very telling.
James Allen:
Quote:

It was interesting that in Monaco he not only encouraged comparisons after the race between himself and Senna, but actually spoke of himself in comparison with Senna. .....
...I agree with Ed Gorman of The Times, that what people don’t like about Lewis is the sense of ‘entitlement’ – the notion that he was somehow born to be F1 champion, entitled to breeze straight into the best car in F1 and be praised for it. They resent that.
Many members of the public in Britain resent it too and of course the foreign media and Lewis’s rivals really resent it.
Thoughts?

HeilSvenska 06-19-2008 08:37 PM

The man spent $400,000 on a "LEW 1S" license plate. Yes. He is a twat.

Carbodiox 06-19-2008 08:40 PM

i really dont know what to think. Look for example at LH on top gear - very bright and charming guy. But than this and even more of ths. For ex when he was asked abut his pole in Montreal he said sth like 'great car, great driver' or this 'touched by Senna' bullshit etc.. He is great driver and he shows that he is self confident which is what a great driver have to be but than again compare his behaviour to Kubica's. How humble, level-headed but still very confident he is

torrentjunkie 06-19-2008 08:47 PM

Mr. Smiley face better clean up his act and smack those stars out the back of his head or else he's going to lose a hell of alot of supporters.

79TA 06-19-2008 09:19 PM

I just want to see the silver cars in front of those red cars . . . I think most F1 drivers have an attitude issue.

torrentjunkie 06-19-2008 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 79TA (Post 836647)
I think most F1 drivers have an attitude issue.


But that's what i think is the main appeal of Lewis Hamilton...hes a nice chap, well, supposedly at the moment. If he turns out to be a Naomi-esque diva then he loses his appeal. A great driver yes, but that would put him in the same boat as Alonso.

Spiffu 06-19-2008 11:25 PM

All I know is that compared to all the other drivers when they are on camera, Lewis doesn't act like a fucking robot when he wins races or comes up in 2nd/3rd on the podium. Kimi, Kubica, Massa, it's like they've had their balls chopped off.

The way Lewis acted when he won the Monoco grand prix is how you're supposed to act when you win an F1 race.

Had Kimi or the other's won it, they would have just gotten out of the car, walked to the podium and done a slight wave to the crowd barely smiling.

I could care less if he's showing off some of attitude to resporters. As long as he keeps exuming personality during races and racing well, I'll be satisfied.

And +1 for seeing silver on front of red. I thought the 10 position penalty is BS.

nthfinity 06-19-2008 11:59 PM

Any team run by the likes of Ron Dennis, any governing body run by the likes of Max Mosely should be shunned by anybody with any scruples.

Erez 06-20-2008 01:02 AM

i think that doing what he does (racing in F1) its one of those things you have to be arrogant in order to do well,

5vz-fe 06-20-2008 01:39 AM

Most driver becomes cocky when they taste success. Lewis was very humble last year, then boom. After the instant success in the super fast Mclaren, out comes the cock.

Schumi was cocky during his early years, needless to say, Alonso, JV. The Finns seems to be the more humble bunch.

Mattk 06-20-2008 01:45 AM

I think Schumacher became less arrogant after people started beating him. By the time he switched to crush mode, he was very nice off the track. Like in all sports, you have to be mean and nasty on the field, but off it, if you're still a bad character, then you're bad.

fordgt84 06-20-2008 05:16 AM

i wouldn't say arrogant, but he can seem a bit over confident sometimes. as with the press, we all know how frustrating the press can be so it's only natural that a human being snaps once in a while, demonizing an upcoming star makes for a very good story.

he's also young and tasting great success really early, so i think it's natural that he develops a bit of an ego. but then again f1 drivers do tend to have big egos, it comes with the territory i guess.

F250 06-20-2008 07:26 AM

Here's an entry from LH's diary:

Note to self. This means STOP!

http://www.bigfoto.com/sites/galery/.../red_light.jpg

ae86_16v 06-21-2008 04:08 PM

"I have to apologise to the team because I didn't do a great job"

After qualifying.

* * *

I don't think so, with comments like that. He has always thank the Team and always "seem" to put team before himself.

In terms of the comment about the Great Driver, seems to be taken out of context in the sense that he could have said it half-kidding.

But yeah, personally I don't think he is arrogant yet, but I do agree with everyone that anyone like him in Formula 1, must have certain degree of ego to get there.

helteralan 06-21-2008 04:28 PM

I think he's getting caught up in his own hype... and unfortunately as soon as he goes on a downward trend the media will undoubtably turn on him... that to me will be his real "arrogance" test. But i think he is a little concieted which is understandable his impact in F1!

But if he ever compares himself blatantly to Senna, for me he will be over the line instantly.

Think about tt... would you get cocky if you were in his shoes?

And for the record, i don't like him (my personal opinion)... i prefer the old school and honesty of Coulthard (yes i'm Scottish too). :thumbup:

5vz-fe 06-21-2008 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ae86_16v (Post 836915)
"I have to apologise to the team because I didn't do a great job"

After qualifying.

* * *

I don't think so, with comments like that. He has always thank the Team and always "seem" to put team before himself.

In terms of the comment about the Great Driver, seems to be taken out of context in the sense that he could have said it half-kidding.

But yeah, personally I don't think he is arrogant yet, but I do agree with everyone that anyone like him in Formula 1, must have certain degree of ego to get there.

I think you are reading this wrong. My own translation would be "Sorry, if I were to get the turn correctly, Kimi will not have the fastest time"

I mean, why on earth would you apologize to the team in public for 3rd place. You could have easily walk to the team and say, hey, I screw up the turn, sorry.

RT87 06-21-2008 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeilSvenska (Post 836643)
The man spent $400,000 on a "LEW 1S" license plate. Yes. He is a twat.

That was a rumour. He said in Thursday press conference that he did not. why would anyone pay that much for a license plate? unless you're the sultan of dubai.

5vz-fe 06-21-2008 07:40 PM

^Try again. You would be surprise at how many rich ppl pay hundreds of thousands to get a nice plate.

http://wot.motortrend.com/6257402/mi...tly/index.html

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2007/07...-paid-for.html

fordgt84 06-22-2008 08:07 AM

hamilton has a few words of his own

http://www.f1update.com/fullstory/vi...e_media_image/

Quote:

Lewis Hamilton has dismissed suggestions that he is the latest example of a formula one driver seduced by the sport's glamorous temptations.

The McLaren driver's comments at the Magny-Cours circuit were prompted by incorrect reports that he blew $400,000 on a personalised number-plate.

Amid other reports of glitzy film premieres, awards nights and dating pop stars, 23-year-old Hamilton insists that the media has got it wrong.

"There's not really a lot I can do about it," he said.

"I'm just not into that sort of thing. I really want to enjoy it but I don't have to be walking down a red carpet. I've never wanted that sort of treatment," Hamilton is quoted as saying by British newspapers.

"I have experienced it in some places but I'm not looking for events to go to so I can be seen. I just enjoy being sat in the back like any other member of the audience. I like to meet people but then people start making stories out of it."

He also seems miffed by the intense criticism that followed his embarrassing crash in the Montreal pitlane two weeks ago.

"I can take constructive criticism, but I don't read any of it. You hear about (the media reports), but what difference should that make to me, because I am doing my job and I am enjoying myself?"

Hamilton insists that negative press reportage doesn't bother him.

He told reporters in France: "It does not affect my life in any way, shape or form. Sure, the opinion you end up giving people does affect you because at the end of the day I am not a mean guy and I am out there doing the best job that I can.

"Small mistakes happen. I am sure that everyone makes similar mistakes to those I do, but you're not in the spotlight like me.

"People try and make me something that I'm not, but the majority of the time, 99.9 per cent of the time, it's only my dad's opinion that matters."



Mattk 06-22-2008 08:41 AM

Quote:

I just enjoy being sat in the back like any other member of the audience. I like to meet people but then people start making stories out of it.

Ha! Then what was that performance as Zeus just before the Turkish Grand Prix?


styla21 06-22-2008 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattk (Post 837008)


Ha! Then what was that performance as Zeus just before the Turkish Grand Prix?


LOL! :mrgreen:

Pokiou 06-22-2008 09:53 AM

All i can say is:
we can all say what we want.. but at the end of the day his doing what we can never do!

on another not. I think his fed up with all the FIA bullshit that FIA do to him.. like the last race... getting a drive through .. that was just sick and was sooo favorable to Ferrari... also the race for 3rd spot.. McLaren getting nudged by the Toyota. .... Ferrari's exhaust hanging lose ??? why wasn't that called in to be taken care of.. im sure if i was behind that Ferrari i would back right off, cause the last thing i want is a exhaust in my forehead.! I bet if it was McLaren, they would of started a whole investigation and then stopped the race and then burnt the cars... so im fed up... just like Hamilton.

Anyways.

turpija 06-22-2008 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokiou (Post 837013)
All i can say is:
we can all say what we want.. but at the end of the day his doing what we can never do!

what?
crash in to the world champion(Kimi) while pit is closed? :laugh:

Pokiou 06-22-2008 10:44 AM

if you want to look at it that way... i know who's bank account is bigger between you and him. :)

lincoln 06-22-2008 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nthfinity (Post 836661)
Any team run by the likes of Ron Dennis . . . . . . should be shunned by anybody with any scruples.

Spot on!

Lewis is a different matter though, I think he is getting arrogant but then he is one of the best drivers in the world so probably deserves to be arrogant.

If you want to talk about arrogant, remember Senna? He is looked upon as a God by some people (not me by the way, I thought he was the man who Schumi learnt to cheat from, which then spoiled an otherwise brilliant career). He thought he had a God given right to win (Senna, not Schumi) and would simply drive through anyone in his way (e.g. Prost).

Lewis does not seem to be like that at all. I just hope he leaves McLaren and joins Ferrari at some point! Unlikely I know, but I can dream.;-)

arguapacha 06-22-2008 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokiou (Post 837022)
if you want to look at it that way... i know who's bank account is bigger between you and him. :)

Then I suppose he's there for the money...

Quote:

Originally Posted by lincoln (Post 837036)
Spot on!

Lewis is a different matter though, I think he is getting arrogant but then he is one of the best drivers in the world so probably deserves to be arrogant.

If you want to talk about arrogant, remember Senna? He is looked upon as a God by some people (not me by the way, I thought he was the man who Schumi learnt to cheat from, which then spoiled an otherwise brilliant career). He thought he had a God given right to win (Senna, not Schumi) and would simply drive through anyone in his way (e.g. Prost).

Lewis does not seem to be like that at all. I just hope he leaves McLaren and joins Ferrari at some point! Unlikely I know, but I can dream.;-)

OMG. I thought I was the only one that had that kind of blasphemy in my mind! I completely agree with you.:thumbup:

5vz-fe 06-22-2008 08:53 PM

A lot of people in the world deserve to be arrogant. The question is, do they have to be? Is there a need for? Does it add value to what he/she is doing?

It's not about we'll ever be him, but we actually contribute to his fame by discussing him, turning on the TV, or read news on him. It is the same way you criticize a car when you test drive it. Can you build a car yourself? Without audience, he's just a racer with no value.

There are a few top drivers in the Formula one line up, each deserve to be arrogant, but for me, I would rather support the one that is not.

(I do have to say I enjoy Clarkson being so arrogant on TV, it gives value to Topgear)

Mattk 06-22-2008 09:31 PM

^Well said. It seems Hamilton thrives on notoreity. Not the first, won't be the last. However, I don't think that's helpful.

arguapacha 06-22-2008 10:03 PM

Paraphrasing Ronspeak: Lewis Hamilton makes history... the press only writes about it

5vz-fe 06-22-2008 10:05 PM

^And yet to win a WDC.

thiago 06-23-2008 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lincoln (Post 837036)
Spot on!

Lewis is a different matter though, I think he is getting arrogant but then he is one of the best drivers in the world so probably deserves to be arrogant.

If you want to talk about arrogant, remember Senna? He is looked upon as a God by some people (not me by the way, I thought he was the man who Schumi learnt to cheat from, which then spoiled an otherwise brilliant career). He thought he had a God given right to win (Senna, not Schumi) and would simply drive through anyone in his way (e.g. Prost).

Lewis does not seem to be like that at all. I just hope he leaves McLaren and joins Ferrari at some point! Unlikely I know, but I can dream.;-)

Senna was he best F-1 driver of all times, hands down. :-P

But yeah, I think Lewis is not only young and inexperienced regarding his attitude towards the press but also seems to have some lack of people skills to some degree, making him come across as an a-hole/arrogant person that some people/press are trying to portray of him. All in all he just seems to be an honest guy, and speaks his mind no matter what, without thinking too much what's he's going to say. I don't personally think he is arrogant. But I do think he's got a long way to go and only life will teach him how to be a more humble and patient man.

I'm sure Lewis will get there, hopefully not by his own mistakes alone, but also by being smarter and learning from other bright drivers' mistakes as well. Well at least that is what I hope for him. He's a good chap!

smidsy 06-23-2008 05:32 AM

The guy thinks he IS Senna reincarnated. He Compares himself to Senna, Has Similar helmet colours and style. Believe me, he would change his name to Senna if he thought he would get away with it.
Like an earlier quote. He IS a Twat!

Pokiou 06-23-2008 07:51 AM

^^^ go watch nascar man ... seriously.. its his idol... he wants to be like senna.. not senna.. he wants to be better then him.

RC45 06-23-2008 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokiou (Post 837330)
^^^ go watch nascar man ... seriously.. its his idol... he wants to be like senna.. not senna.. he wants to be better then him.

Donate a buck before you get to bitchy with paying members there old chap ;)

Pokiou 06-23-2008 11:41 PM

Why would i have to pay before i can voice my opinion.. cause you pay doesn't mean your all high and mighty.

RC45 06-24-2008 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokiou (Post 837449)
Why would i have to pay before i can voice my opinion.. cause you pay doesn't mean your all high and mighty.

Actually I don't pay, I just kept sending suck-up PM's till management finally gave in. ;)

Pokiou 06-24-2008 12:59 AM

oh snap and score !! lol

dutchmasterflex 06-24-2008 11:00 AM

hey.. they're DONATIONS :P

fordgt84 06-27-2008 04:27 PM

and he's got nicole :love::whip::drool:

http://estb.msn.com/i/BF/5AF1B93BFE2...EAEDCFC983.jpg

if i had her by my side i would have the biggest ego ever

5vz-fe 06-27-2008 04:42 PM

^Pussy power

thiago 06-27-2008 04:46 PM

I wonder how much they have to pay her to be with him and pose for the cameras! :devil:
Just kidding! :mrgreen:

torrentjunkie 06-27-2008 06:26 PM

naomi, nicole....whos next i wonder

mts6800 06-28-2008 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiffu (Post 836660)
And +1 for seeing silver on front of red. I thought the 10 position penalty is BS.

Well it's BS if you don't think Lewis caused an avoidable accident in Canada. I wondered about the penalty and read the Sporting Regulations. Guess what, the penalty for causing an avoidable accident is a 10 place grid penalty at the next race.

lincoln 06-28-2008 08:04 AM

http://www.motorworld.net/forum/images/icons/icon4.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiffu http://www.motorworld.net/forum/fire...s/viewpost.gif
And +1 for seeing silver on front of red. I thought the 10 position penalty is BS.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mts6800
Well it's BS if you don't think Lewis caused an avoidable accident in Canada. I wondered about the penalty and read the Sporting Regulations. Guess what, the penalty for causing an avoidable accident is a 10 place grid penalty at the next race.


It always baffles me how the slightest infringment by a Ferrari driver has everyone up in arms (usually with Ron 'I'm not a crook' Dennis shouting the loudest) but when its the McLarens its a different story. Could it be the Schumi effect?

turpija 06-28-2008 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fordgt84 (Post 837963)
and he's got nicole :love::whip::drool:

http://estb.msn.com/i/BF/5AF1B93BFE2...EAEDCFC983.jpg

if i had her by my side i would have the biggest ego ever


it's amazing how quickly he dumped his "pre-F1" girl

vaanish 06-28-2008 10:57 PM

i hear this alot, my opinion is that it is extremely difficult to get across your personality through a camera lens in an interview, and the lewis on tv is probably nothing like the lewis in real life

Mattk 06-28-2008 11:43 PM

^And TV is not real life? Journalists are not real people? It's not like he's in a sopa opera.

zeus_2011 06-29-2008 02:38 AM

Give the boy some slack.....hes doing what most of us could only dream of at a tender age, and hes doing it very well. I am sure that he will b champion one day, and repeat that success (lets just hope hes in a red car or a blue and white lol).
He may seem arrogant at times but he is still growing up.....hes (hopefully) learning from silly mistakes (re: Canada) and his ego has surely taken a blow so far this season.

turpija 06-29-2008 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeus_2011 (Post 838157)
Give the boy some slack.....hes doing what most of us could only dream of at a tender age, and hes doing it very well. I am sure that he will b champion one day, and repeat that success ....

people(mostly British) were saying same thing for Jensen Button, and he only scored one win when everybody were out of race:-P

CarlZ 06-29-2008 03:40 AM

^ya know, hamilton already have more than one win, so comparing them two...dunno


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