350,000$ for a ZR-1
 

it's already fetching 350,000 dollars, some corvette fans may feel a little violated :whistling:



http://www.leftlanenews.com/why-not-...html#more-6753

that's disgusting

its actually pretty funny that people are taking $350K ads on craigslist seriously... ;)

I'd say thats very funny. Maybe RC will buy it tho.

Why would I buy a car that was heavier and less powerful than my current ride? ;)

because it has Carbon brakes from the Enzo, yo!

Wo will pay that for corvette?
Rc45 your vette is better for less money.
:-)

It sure is
That new zr1 schould be much cheaper.
Overinflated prices.
:thumbdown:

I guess.. or just wait for the parts to be available in GM's parts list for a discount ;)

Besides, those bling Enzo brakes are really no good without the giant 20" wheels... which severly limit your tyre choices.

Or custom ceramic brakes.

For non-competition track work, those brake systems are a total waste of money.. and are not called "Big Brag Kits" instead of "Big Brake Kits" for nothing ;)

For the price, they offer no more stopping power or longivety than regular iron brakes :)

The bottomline is that unless you have a million dollar prize on the line and need the last 1000000000th of a second they are only for bling and bragging rights unless they happen to be stock on your ride ;)

The irony is that on Porsche, whom has had PCB brakes as an option for the longest time, many owner downgrade to iron brakes for track duty... ;)

The maintenance on carbon caramic brakes is very expensive.
:-)

ZR1 not ZR-1. Thought someone was really crazy to pay that much for a C4 Corvette from the '90's.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3...26smallwi0.jpg
From Barrett-Jackson 2008. It sold at auction for a million, so 350k sounds like a discount.
If anyone wants to complain about the interior, I took picture of the inside.
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5...20smallxv9.jpg

Me, me me!!!

As requested bash to your hearts desire.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7...25smallur6.jpg

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7...30smalluc9.jpg

^Dare I say it... It looks identical to my car had I splurged the 2 grand extra for the 4lt interior. I wouldnt quote the interior as the improvement.

Forget the interior! I wanna see the numbers! :twisted:

And those in the know, Jay Leno included - have said "There is nothing wrong with the interior." ;)

The interior is is good,is not a luxury car,its a Supercar.

Don't kid yourself, the interior is full of cheap painted plastic and that is NOT a supercar feature. The actual layout could be salvageable if only Chevy used better materials. You're paying $80,000 for the Z06 and $100,000 for the ZR1. I'm sure Chevy could do better for that price. Come on..

How do they not understand that they will sell that many more cars if they just bump up the quality a little bit? It just boggles my mind that a company that can produce such a great car cant just think... "hey maybe if we take quality up a notch we could dig a little bit more into the market now occupied by the european brands!!" Nobody would be alienated by an interior upgrade, they can only GAIN marketshare. Dont argue with me about costs because not only does the Z06 have a WIDE price margin until the next comparable supercar, but people who can afford to buy an $80k 2 seater supercar can pay a few grand more for a higher quality interior.

Ferrari sold a TOTALof 6000 cars last year - GM probably sold about 7000 Z06's.

Upping the price will not lead to more sales.

The person putting down $200,000 for a car is not on any kind of budget - many average Joes can finance a Viper of Vette, even at $80,000 to $100,000.

Adding more crap on the interior would only increase weight - the only reason they ar e even offering "upgraded" interiors, is because people complained.. and it was people who didn't even buy the car who complained.

And exotic material interior costs upwards of $30,000 to produce/replace - so what good is a $130,000 ZR1 just to have a heavier "poseurific" interior?

Nothing.

I didnt say upping the price will increase sales and for all I know the numbers you just threw out are bs. Also you're getting a little extreme with the interior prices and comparing it to a Ferrari. Of course Ferrari sell less cars, but that has nothing to do with the interior.

Average joes cant afford a 100k car.

Adding more crap will increase the weight? Perhaps marginally, not enough to affect performance. Look at a GT3 RS, Nice interior, nice materials, weight savings too. Its more than possible to do.

I'm sure the people that complained didnt buy the car. But maybe they wouldve had it had a better interior.

Upwards of 30k? I dont mean an aston martin interior here, I mean something at least as good as a Golf GTI. Because as of right now, its far from it.

the GT3 RS benefits from a very high standard in EVERY 911 ;) ... which caters to a luxury sportscar concept from utero ;)

Removing weight was a task of making expensive seats, and misc. delete options... only makes logical sense ;)

Why would I throw out bullshit numbers?

If you doybt my information Google is your friend...

I am not getting extreme with my interior cost estimates based on exotic materials.

Why do you think Ferraris cost $250,000+? It i snot just because "they can charge that price".

Small volume exotic interiors cost money - a lot of money.

The reason they are small volume is the market is pretty limited at thos eprice ranges.

Average Joe can finance a $80,000 care.. a number of Vipers and C6 Z06's are financed... the rest are cash purchases by average people who have managed their financial lives well and of course a number of independantly wealthy individuals.

There is a reason GM sells about 25,000 Corvettes a year - the average Joe buys them - and they start at $45,000 and range to $70,000 - not even counting the C6 Z's.

The GT3 RS is heavier than the Z06, and a lot more expensive - that fancy interior costs quite a bit.

Migrate to Pagani and Enzo style interiors and the interior appointments alone can account for $50,000 of the cars price.

No they wouldn't have - if people have the extra $10,000 laying around, and the really want a Corvette, and really want an interior made from whining bitching euro goat scrotum, they can have Caravaggio (as an example) install a double stitched leather interior - but even they will tell you that be prepared to accept the extra weight of all that leather cladding on the amazingly light stock interior parts. ;)

I am on the fence about having my interior bits covered in alcantara - its an extra cost, and extra weight for nothing more than "ooohhh - you have an alcantara interior" value ;)

You are kidding right?

You must be aware that under all the fake/faux/poseur skin of every one of the "oooh my interior is better than yours" cars is the same light weight plastic paneling right?

Its all the same underneath - some even produced in the same off-site factories as their competitors interiors. ;)

OK, well. Im not kidding.

You can say what you want about the "purpose" of filling an interior with tacky low quality cheap materials. It could be done in a much much more tasteful manner and that is something I should be able to expect when buying a $100,000 car, such as the ZR1.

If it is all the same light weight crap, then how come Chevy cant make it look reasonable? It's all subjective in the end, I think its atrocious what they have done with the interior of that car and many would agree with me.

I just can't see how you can justify the plastic filled, mismatched, pick-up truck like interior. If this was a $20k car or a $200k car that would still be a bad interior.

Also I didnt say hey lets fill everything with alcantara, titanium and carbon. You're blowing what I said way out of proportion. Regardless of what the purpose, the car has a bad interior.

Don't make me sound like a fake/faux/poseur because I think that the car could have a better interior. Having a nice interior doesnt make the car a poser or wanting one doesnt make the driver a poser. Chevy could have done a much better job just by changing the colors a bit. Even keeping the damn price and "super light weight materials" the same, they could have produced a much better product that doesnt smell like super glue.

"Amazingly light stock interior parts" lol...you mean shitty thin plastic covered in equally shitty and tacky paint.

And then if that wasnt enough they had their last meeting on how to make the car even tackier. The results of which are chrome wheels (on the show car) and a see-through hood. Talk about weight savings and all purpose built car. "Hey lets spend money cutting a hole on the hood so these posers can show the world whats under there, this will surely get them mad street cred" I'm confused as to whom they are targeting now.

By the way, nice teal color too :( looks like they took what was once a nice blue and quickly found a way to ruin it. Nice color combination...with the teal on chrome, definitely supercar status.

It's simple. People who are that concerned about the interior fall into two basic categories:

Group A - those who love Corvettes enough to either live with it or upgrade it themselves

Group B - people who don't really like Corvettes and enjoy ragging on "inferior American products"

The number of people who would ultimately be swayed by fancy sounding selling points like "Alcantara" or "hand (slave? jk) stitched" are few and far between. Besides, new Vettes offer an interior package that uses the same materials found in Maybachs, no? I don't see people making comments about the quality of their materials.

Here's a Motor Trend quote . . .

"Practically every surface you see or touch is swathed in supple leather, handstitched by the nice folks at Draexlmaier-the same ones treating the hides in Maybach, Mercedes, and up-level Cadillac cockpits."

As for "hard plastics" . . . I've yet to be impressed by a "soft plastic" so i really don't care.

The interior of the ZR1 in person is what you would expect from an upper end GM car. Nice but not a Lambo.

That said. I wish GM would make a ZR1 with ZO6 option that came with no carpet, fabric seats, nothing behind the seats, fixed rear window, radio delete, no hood window, vinyl badges, and remove anything else that would save weight, simple door sides etc. etc. put in a roll bar, bigger spoiler on the back, a bigger gas tank and delete rather than add an extra 10K to the price.

The f40 interior is pretty spartan and there is no radio.

Who said anything about "inferior american products"? Please keep your anti-american comments to yourself when they have NO bearing on the subject. Its not necessary to put that filth into this forum. Im talking about the vette, not "America" as you like to call the United States. You did it on that other thread when the guy was talking about American vs. European cars. Please don't ruin this thread. If I hated the US I would come right out and say it.

I was generalizing two basic camps of people, not making a statement about you. People either buy it or they don't and the interior is rarely the deciding factor.

The "and" in the group B definition should be an "or."

I am guessing you meant to say anti-anti-american comments...

And just to eleviate any confusion here, GM sells every Corvette they produce, when the price remains reasonable (which means no need to chase the price up with an unneeded interior) - and even if all the people who don't like the interior don't buy it, they would still and in fact still do sell every Vette they produce ;)

So - again, what's the big deal? :)

There is no big deal, I just have different expectations than you guys do from a $100,000 car.

Perhaps it's OK for the Vette to have a plasticky interior considering the performance per dollar ratio that it has. I understand the fact that a better interior would add weight and price. In this case I think thought that I'd be happier with two separate cars rather than one car that compromises to be both. As in buying an Ariel Atom and comfy midrange sedan.

I guess it would also be cool to have a bit of both at times.. I guess thats among one of the many attractive features of a Z06 that lets you look past the interior :)

Hehe, I have no problem understanding/accepting other people's point of view. Change is often good.

Asking price for used 300hp Ariel Atoms are $100,000+. So. Good luck with that.

Or, you can still get a $70,000 200hp one with no interior. :mrgreen:


Or... you can get a CTS-V? Would that be an acceptable compromise?

Ohh yes,you can always do things better,and the price is fine for what you get,a supercar that will outperform almost everything.
Like 100k more,I dont think so.

CTS-V is trash sorry, but hey if you like it then thats your thing.

Also I just did one quick search and found this 300hp ariel Atom that is modified with a bunch of upgrades. Get your prices right, so good luck with that? not so much.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/276590.htm

Thats just ONE i found in 10 seconds and its modified and only 80K, NOT 100K + sorry

70K for a 200hp??
Not so much, the 245hp is going for under 60k

Okay... What's his problem? :?:

I'm getting a little tired of my posts getting picked apart thats all. Felt, perhaps wrongly so, like I'm being ridiculed.

Trash in your eyes, but not the thousands of people who buy them every year.

Seems you are getting all anti-non-european again... funny you dont see the "Amerikun car Krowd" attacking everything Euro.. Hopefully its not because undeniably GM knows how to do "bang for the buck" hehe ;)

But the interior is not really what you would expect from an $80,000 car.. at least I wouldn't.

$60,000 for a interiorless trackday toy? Hmm - if yougo in for that sort of thing ;)

Yeah - sorry man, it's the only way I can keep track of my thoughts in my old age.

Nah, why would you feel that? ;)

Nah, Im not getting anything. I just dont like the car. The American car crowd? lol what am I? The european car crowd??

The Atom doesnt try to be a road car. It's legal, but not a daily driver.

I'd Get one.

Buy what you want/need/can afford. It's different for everyone.

That's a UK spec. Unless you actually want to import one legally, it won't cost $80,000.

Here's the "official" used US Atom listing
http://www.arielatom.com/UsedCars.aspx

Options can really change the resale value, though.

hmm now back to the topic, the ZR1 really has a comfy interior even though from the exterior it trys to look like a hardcore racing/trackday car... imo that is confusing. not to asy that on the inside it still looks bland but that is just my oppinion/taste. if GM can sell it the way it is and if it is appreciated, that's great. but i expected a bit more change to be honest.

someday i would like to own a Corvette Z06 and a Porsche. i just got back from the USA (visiting my sister) and we (the family) drove a lot on the highways and interstates and i saw a lot of corvettes (C5 C6 and an older model i can't put a name to, maybe a stingray? it was interesting that i only saw 1 Mustang 350 and it was quite beat up too). the interesting thing is i have a feeling that people who drive performance cars have them more to show off rather than having this performance oriented car. most Porsches i saw where Boxters and most were convertibles.

i guess the american perception of such cars is different from the european.

It depends on where you go, and what the weather is ;) What state were you in?

Whether driving fast sports cars or big trucks, people seem to want others to know that "they could if they wanted to."

we were around Washington DC. the weather was all nice, it never really was raining.

i was just surprised to see all these vettes but actually no mustangs but maybe i just didn't get lucky. but who am i kidding? :P my expectations were just too high lol