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Modern Record cars
For 60 years, automotive pioneers, and enthusiasts have been chasing world records for having the fastest car on the planet in some given categories... Lets just focus on internal combustion.
The record would belong to an American, then a Frenchman, then a Brit, then a German.... and back and forth through the 1960's and beyond... For the sake of usability, why is it that only American cars are being tuned to the street for 1500, 1600, 1700, 1800+ hp, and using fairly original equipment motor bottom ends and heads. Why aren't there similar numbers being made from Germany's 100 hp/liter cars, the TT Gallardo, and Murcie for that matter... where are the 1000 ++ ++ + hp euro cars... why does it only start happening with non-domestics with the TT 6's out of Japan, and not europe? |
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A lot of the record breaking cars from the old era, and even now are entirely custom jobs and one-offs of an engineers own creation. The after marketed FErraris are hardly comparable to the after market vettes vipers, Ford GT's, Mustangs, Camaro's, Hemi's etc. Even the existing TT BMW V10 is only 800 hp. |
Where are the American Lotuses, Caterhams, Ariels, Radicals, X-Bows, Wiesmmans, etc.? Different philosophies, thats all.
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want to see our version of an Ariel Atom? http://www.nthimage.com/create_hits/...lt_Racer_1.jpg 1900 lbs, 450 hp not to mention all the Factory 5, or Superformance cars.... 2000 lbs with a 300-400-500+ hp car.... why? Because we like to handle, and we like to go fast :) We don't have a tax code that penalizes cheap horsepower |
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But....I prefer a real car, engineered by profesionals, tested by profesionals, you know what I mean. |
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yet... where are the 1000 hp Porsches? BMW's? AMG's? Peogo's? Citreon's ? MG Rovers'? Jaguars? Aston's ? Volvo's ? Yugo's ? Saab's ? Opel's ? Etc. etc. etc. Even the tuning companies haven't taken them to that kind of level... |
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oh, and while we don't do much with WRC, we have plenty of American race engineers making faster cars in Group N then in WRC ;) Oh... The thing that seems to be the biggest stop against the euro's keeping up with the Yanks for world speed records is that legislation stopped easy access to cheap horsepower natively... because it used to run rampant throughout europe as well as US. |
It is amazing what a hateful bunch of cunts you euro twits are.
If someone posts about a modded [place euro kit car name here]you all piss your pants, cum in the air and shit on the table... ..but let someone post an Australian or South African or US or Brazilian or Taiwanese special and out come the insults and hate attitude. Does living in some overtaxed shit hole where only the richest of the rich have wunderkars really make youguys so angry at all other ways that people who are the uberwealthy get to enjoy their speed? Oh well - the losers tend to be the haters ;) |
I see nthfinity's point here. Why does everyone else like lots of horses? But like gangajas said, it's a matter of philosophy. European cars may not have horsepower, but their cars are still good, just in a different way.
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Different philosophies. Most people have small economical cars to
drive everyday, you guys have trucks. Americans enthusiasts are more into bursts of acceleration (or quarter mile races), europeans are more into top speed (or long highway races). American roads are more straight and larger, we have smaller roads and more corners. And so on. Japanese sport cars are much cheaper then the european counterparts. Also even if those 1000hp+ cars are tuned for the street, they must be a real pain to drive around I imagine. |
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oh - and if only it was limited to just "this thread" - it is an actual way of life you folks have in europe... US car hating is an actual sport over there. |
I also don't see any point in worrying so much with the HP. The cars I've driven that given me most fun to drive are around 150hp or less... but very light and nimble!! :D
You americans like raw power, I think it's very good, but here we just don't worry so much about that. :D Different cultures, diversity makes the world., no problem at that, we don't have all to like the same things, he only need to accept them and RESPECT, that is one thing I see is lacking in this thread... |
And RC45... we Europeans like the Japanese cars A LOT, so, we have no problem with foreign cars!! :D
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plenty of power for raw speed and accelleartion great handling, for the back roads, and track great stopping to keep us safe ;) When you take away any of those, your left with an incomplete car... the muscle car era had it's own 'good handling, world beating' cars with respect to cars of the same era, just as today... like the Cross Ram Z28 302 used in Trans AM racing... 8000+ rpm, big nasty cam, lightweight, and more aggressive suspension... Copperluke... have you had the pleasure of driving a nimble 400 hp car before? My second car was a nimble 160 hp turbo euro car... I loved it... but it simply cannot compare to big power, and world class handling. |
Personally I really admire the Corvette Z06. It's better than the 997 turbo in my view. One thing about the european performance cars is that they generally have small displacement engines and are naturally aspirated. Unless we think of the great exotics, but those are very expensive to own. So Porsche (with the turbo) and Mercedes-Benz (with those big engines) are really the exception to this rule.
One thing that I always found strange is why Renault doens't build a real sports car with their experience in F1. Maybe it's just the economics talking higher. The same can be said about Citroen and Peugeot, with the rally experience they have there could be some serious competition to the Evos and WRX Sti. |
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