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bmagni 11-28-2006 10:14 PM

McLaren Mercedes SLS
 
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These pictures prove that early development work is well under way on the 'baby' McLaren, with plans to sell as many as 2000 cars a year to rival the likes of the Ferrari 360 Modena, Lamborghini Gallardo and all-new Audi R8. Although McLaren engineers are remaining tight-lipped about the project, we have learnt that feasibility studies are currently being carried out on the car at one of Mercedes’ secret test-centres in Germany.

McLaren is hoping to use carbonfibre construction for the new car, although there are doubts about the economic viability of using the material for a car with a projected price tag of about 150,000 Euros.

Sources couldn't be budged on whether the new car, thought to be code-named P8, will have a three-seat arrangement similar to that of the F1, but equally our source doggedly refused to confirm the new car as a conventional two-seater. One possibility is that the third seat would be mounted centrally towards the rear, the reverse of the F1's layout. It will be mid-engined though, partly to make it distinct from the front-engined Mercedes SLR McLaren.

And it’s already certain that the car will have to be built by Mercedes, as McLaren's new Woking factory is tied up producing the SLR and doesn't have the spare capacity. It seems that the SLR, the brainchild of Ron Dennis, was originally designed to be the definitive GT car. Ferrari's 550 Maranello was the original target car for the project but it became clear that the SLR would be in a different league when the first projected performance figures were calculated using the higher-than-expected output from the supercharged Mercedes V8. This would in fact leave space for a smaller car, probably called the Mercedes SLS McLaren.

spanky 11-28-2006 10:21 PM

Cool thanks for the pics bmagni!!!! Interesting with no body work on it

ViperASR 11-28-2006 10:34 PM

That is really cool seeing it with no body work. It is a really good way to keep the bodywork a secret though

Chaos in 1983! 11-28-2006 10:42 PM

Interesting, but I really hope this time they make it right and make the car more McLaren than Mercedes....

crazidude 11-28-2006 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronin005
it will be crap just as the slr is!!

I wouldn't consider the SLR crap, it just doesn't really fit in with the supercar crowd very well. It's fast none the less.

Now I'm rather hopping this will be a good car. It's a pretty high goal to shoot for a 430, and I hope Mercedes won't stick its hand in the project too much and steer this into some stupid luxury thing.

dutchmasterflex 11-28-2006 11:27 PM

Interesting chassis design. Glad to see the engine is in the right place this time.

I thought they stopped building the SLR.. which should make room for McLaren to build this car..

SilviaEvo 11-29-2006 12:10 AM

hmmmm looks a little lacking........ hahaha looks weird without a body

nthfinity 11-29-2006 12:19 AM

who said they stopped building the SLR, particularly with the "722" now available ;) they just never hit their projected sales figures.

as to "crap just like the SLR"
this may be true, or may not.... i dont know... but the SLR has a weak point that many don't know.... the car will jump, and follow every rut, crevasse, and nook on the road... it is a 100% 2 hands on the wheel @ all times kind of car.... not a luxo tourer that happens to have 620ish -650ish hp

dons5 11-29-2006 12:21 AM

its funny it says the SLR was intended to compete with the 550 Maranello which was like at least 5 or 6 years old when the SLR came out. Then they say after testing they found out it was a league ahead. Now not to long after the SLR comes out, Ferrari unveil their 550/575 replacement and from everything I read and heard it seems that itll smoke the SLR, except in top speed, but doesnt mean shit. Ferrari, just too crazy for the rest.

stmoritzer 11-29-2006 04:51 AM

I have some doubts about the 3rd seat behind the other two, and a mid engine .... where's the space for all this :hmm:

nice find, the pics are cool

franck bullitt 11-29-2006 06:18 AM

Thx for the photos....i hope to see the body soon.... :wink:

saadie 11-29-2006 08:27 AM

interesting ... i like it just the way it looks right now :D ... a super buggy :mrgreen:

TopGearNL 11-29-2006 08:29 AM

Looks weird without a body :P

Wonder how the finshing project will look like?

Shinigami 11-29-2006 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin005
hope they meant its competition for the 430 and not the 360!!

it will be crap just as the slr is!!

Way to go making assumptions on stuff which hasn't even come out yet :roll:

Vansquish 11-29-2006 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dons5
its funny it says the SLR was intended to compete with the 550 Maranello which was like at least 5 or 6 years old when the SLR came out. Then they say after testing they found out it was a league ahead. Now not to long after the SLR comes out, Ferrari unveil their 550/575 replacement and from everything I read and heard it seems that itll smoke the SLR, except in top speed, but doesnt mean shit. Ferrari, just too crazy for the rest.

Actually, as it turns out, the SLR really isn't as fast as it was projected to be. Autocar magazine took a fleet of high-performance vehicles to the Ehra Lessien test track. The Veyron, SLR, Ford GT, LP640, Ferrari 599GTB, Corvette C6 Z06, Viper SRT-10, Aston Martin Vanquish S, and Porsche 997 Turbo were all part of the test to which various other publications were also invited. The Veyron was of course the fastest topping out at 402kph, but the 599GTB did a surprising 208mph while the McMerc did a lowly 201.

Here's a short overview of the article: http://www.speedtv.com/articles/life...omotive/34032/

so_innocent 11-29-2006 12:00 PM

SLR was originally targeted at 550, but it came out late and the new 599GTB is more than a match for SLR. Hope this doesn't repeat with this new car, aimed at 430/Gallardo now, but when released already eclipsed by 430/Gallardo's successor.

Come on, where's the magic gone? McLaren's magic on the F1 allows it to stand tall and proud for many years, even by modern standards it is a supercar to be beaten on various parameter. Really hoping that McLaren can recapture that magic. But i guess with Gordon Murray gone (and various other key personnel in F1's design), and Mercedes demanding their car to be loaded with every rubbish comfort and safety measures that can be fitted, we shouldn't be hoping too much

Chaos in 1983! 11-29-2006 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nthfinity
who said they stopped building the SLR, particularly with the "722" now available ;) they just never hit their projected sales figures.

I also thought they stopped the production of the SLR in order to build the SLR convertible...I read that somewhere. Anyone knows anything about that?

Z3uS 11-29-2006 09:35 PM

Interesting news! I can't wait to see more of this project.

dons5 11-30-2006 12:55 AM

slr only hit 201 with that much power? Hard to understand why so low. I mean does it have that much drag? Im sure it can go more. And the 599 GTB hitting 208? Ok that really was a suprise, awesome!

Garretts_turbo 11-30-2006 04:38 AM

"ariel supercar" lmao....thats it

TopGearNL 12-11-2006 07:10 PM

Looks so weird :lol:

dutchmasterflex 12-11-2006 09:20 PM

What the hell is up with those radiators? Unless the front of the car goes about 3ft infront of the wheels I don't think it will be very aero dynamic..

Something smells fishy about this prototype.. (Winding Road?) :lol:

davide 12-12-2006 08:03 AM

^^

The Univeristy of Winding Road-secret-mule-testing-scam ;)

blue8 12-22-2006 06:37 AM

computer-rendered image: http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/5...ni7lxu8.th.jpg
looks like the lovechild of the Zonda and SLR

Zarkoff500 12-22-2006 03:35 PM

Carrera GT?

Stoopie 12-22-2006 03:43 PM

^^ Looks more like a Zonda than an SLR to me... Anyway, I hope it'll be better than that one..

HeilSvenska 12-22-2006 04:16 PM

McMerc SLR + Carrera GT + Chrysler ME 4-12

McLaren4eVa 12-22-2006 07:27 PM

Doesn't look like a mid priced supercar.

McLaren4eVa 01-01-2007 06:27 PM

http://stb.msn.com/i/F6/B96431C5F25D...7179D9E2C4.jpg

Now that looks more like it, not bad i say.

ViperASR 01-01-2007 06:29 PM

Audi R8 from the door back

McLaren4eVa 01-02-2007 02:55 PM

I think it looks brill much better than the first pics that came out, that car was hideous. A mid engined mercedes finally!

TopGearNL 01-02-2007 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by McLaren4eVa
http://stb.msn.com/i/F6/B96431C5F25D...7179D9E2C4.jpg

Now that looks more like it, not bad i say.

Reminds me of 2004 Chrysler ME Four-Twelve

Shinigami 01-02-2007 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dutchmasterflex
What the hell is up with those radiators? Unless the front of the car goes about 3ft infront of the wheels I don't think it will be very aero dynamic..

Something smells fishy about this prototype.. (Winding Road?) :lol:

A prototype can look very different to the end product... I mean, look at the lights, they're up at the top of the door "hinge" areas. I think it's just one of those stress tests for different components on a bare bones test chassis. The radiators are probably there just to provide maximum cooling power so that at least the engine doesn't die while they're testing steering components and the like.

*shrug*

McLaren4eVa 01-02-2007 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by McLaren4eVa
http://stb.msn.com/i/F6/B96431C5F25D...7179D9E2C4.jpg

Now that looks more like it, not bad i say.

Reminds me of 2004 Chrysler ME Four-Twelve

Makes sense as DaimlerChrysler is the parent company of mercedes.

TopGearNL 01-02-2007 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by McLaren4eVa
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Originally Posted by TopGearNL
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Originally Posted by McLaren4eVa
http://stb.msn.com/i/F6/B96431C5F25D...7179D9E2C4.jpg

Now that looks more like it, not bad i say.

Reminds me of 2004 Chrysler ME Four-Twelve

Makes sense as DaimlerChrysler is the parent company of mercedes.

Yeah offcourse, but I thought it was a McLaren first :P

nthfinity 01-02-2007 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TopGearNL
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Originally Posted by McLaren4eVa
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Originally Posted by TopGearNL
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Originally Posted by McLaren4eVa
http://stb.msn.com/i/F6/B96431C5F25D...7179D9E2C4.jpg

Now that looks more like it, not bad i say.

Reminds me of 2004 Chrysler ME Four-Twelve

Makes sense as DaimlerChrysler is the parent company of mercedes.

Yeah offcourse, but I thought it was a McLaren first :P

does that perhaps mean all the hard work and testing was performed by Chrysler group, and Mclaren are simply 'stealing' it?

McLaren4eVa 01-02-2007 06:53 PM

^^^ Not really i'm only talking about the visual cues taken from the ME 4/12. I'm sure everything else will be developed by McLaren with mercedes funding.

TopGearNL 01-02-2007 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by McLaren4eVa
^^^ Not really i'm only talking about the visual cues taken from the ME 4/12. I'm sure everything else will be developed by McLaren with mercedes funding.

Thats what I was saying. I guess Mercedes delivers the engine too, which is then tuned by McLaren..

McLaren4eVa 01-02-2007 07:21 PM

^^ Exactly, the engine in the SLR is the same one that's in the SL55 but is tuned by McLaren. I think this one will use the same 6.3 V8 used in all mercedes cars but tuned by McLaren to make around 600BHP

CMonakar 01-02-2007 08:49 PM

I have never heard of McLaren doing engine development of any kind.

nthfinity 01-02-2007 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ccarlisi
I have never heard of McLaren doing engine development of any kind.

McLaren in Michigan does engine tuning.... but thats a total different company ;)

Macca boys leave it to BMW M in the past, and now AMG

Z3uS 01-03-2007 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TopGearNL
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Originally Posted by McLaren4eVa
http://stb.msn.com/i/F6/B96431C5F25D...7179D9E2C4.jpg

Now that looks more like it, not bad i say.

Reminds me of 2004 Chrysler ME Four-Twelve

Makes sense as DaimlerChrysler is the parent company of mercedes.

Yeah offcourse, but I thought it was a McLaren first :P

does that perhaps mean all the hard work and testing was performed by Chrysler group, and Mclaren are simply 'stealing' it?

It's a collaboration between the Chrysler group and McLaren.

TopGearNL 01-03-2007 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TopGearNL
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Originally Posted by McLaren4eVa
http://stb.msn.com/i/F6/B96431C5F25D...7179D9E2C4.jpg

Now that looks more like it, not bad i say.

Reminds me of 2004 Chrysler ME Four-Twelve

Makes sense as DaimlerChrysler is the parent company of mercedes.

Yeah offcourse, but I thought it was a McLaren first :P

does that perhaps mean all the hard work and testing was performed by Chrysler group, and Mclaren are simply 'stealing' it?

It's a collaboration between the Chrysler group and McLaren.

No shit... :wink:

philios55 01-06-2007 03:25 PM

I hope the bodywork looks like this!!!Although this image supposed to be
for the upcoming CLE, i think is more appropriate for mini SLR!!!

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9936/b58bigxe8.jpg

TopGearNL 01-06-2007 03:36 PM

/\/\ That looks stunning! :shock: :D

McLaren4eVa 01-07-2007 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by philios55
I hope the bodywork looks like this!!!Although this image supposed to be
for the upcoming CLE, i think is more appropriate for mini SLR!!!

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9936/b58bigxe8.jpg

Stunning, not a supercar for me, but sexy!

Z3uS 01-07-2007 03:14 PM

I think it looks awesome.

dm_h_2007 01-07-2007 06:15 PM

Those are the ugliest rims I have ever seen! What did they get those off a Subaru? :P

TopGearNL 01-07-2007 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dm_h_2007
Those are the ugliest rims I have ever seen! What did they get those off a Subaru? :P

Nope, SL/CL 65 AMG :wink:

chest3r 01-08-2007 12:34 PM

I read in a portuguese magazine ( AutoBild group ) that this new car will have the same doors as the 300SL Gullwing. It would be pretty cool!!! :D 8)


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