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vexor 08-14-2006 08:53 PM

"Audi R10 TDi racer is too fast"
 
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The Audi R10 TDI — the world's first Le Mans diesel race car — has been doing so well that new regulations have been put in place to curb its success. The American Le Mans Series has decided to allow the competing gas-powered LM P1 Lolas to drop 143 pounds of weight to make for a tighter race. The Lolas will also be granted a five-litre larger fuel tank. Audi says its engineers have calculated with computer simulation that 22 pounds at the upcoming Road America is worth at least two-tenths-of-a-second per lap. Audi said it is "deeply disappointed about the random decisions of the IMSA organization." Nonetheless, Audi is hopefully it can continue its winning streak this weekend with the Road America race.
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nickthaskater 08-14-2006 09:06 PM

I can't wait for big manufacturers to start coming back into the top levels of Le Mans... Poor privateers just can't find a balance between reliability and power. If only Mercedes would get their asses back into the game with another CLK blitzkrieg!

spanky 08-14-2006 09:13 PM

I guess Audi could be proud they've done so well with the diesel car, that everyone else wants concessions!

Sir_GT 08-14-2006 11:27 PM

So this is what Le Mans has turned into? A sport for rich crybabies?

666fast 08-14-2006 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir_GT
So this is what Le Mans has turned into? A sport for rich crybabies?

No, it's a sport for not rich enough cry babies. Privateers can't spend nearly what the manufacturers can.
Audi will work with what they've got and they'll continue to win races regardless.

nickthaskater 08-14-2006 11:42 PM

With Peugeot entering LMP1 next year, and Porsche and Acura looking to be on their way to P1 as well in the next couple years, hopefully some other manufacturers will be inspired to join back up alongside them. Getting the likes of Toyota in, and bringing back Mercedes and Ferrari, would be a dream come true. I'd like to see the Audis go up against some worthy competition.

Caplax40 08-15-2006 12:28 AM

Jeez that sucks. I saw an ALMS race in person about a month ago and I gotta say that R10 is stunning. I even bought a damn R10 shirt.

I understand the IMSA's decision about making it more competitive. It just sucks that in ALMS the factory-backed teams are too fast and get penalized for it. Yeah, it makes it more even for privateers but at the same time it's bittersweet since they have to slow down the factory based cars to make things interesting.

nickthaskater 08-15-2006 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Caplax40
Jeez that sucks. I saw an ALMS race in person about a month ago and I gotta say that R10 is stunning. I even bought a damn R10 shirt.

I understand the IMSA's decision about making it more competitive. It just sucks that in ALMS the factory-backed teams are too fast and get penalized for it. Yeah, it makes it more even for privateers but at the same time it's bittersweet since they have to slow down the factory based cars to make things interesting.

They aren't slowing them down, they're making the privateers faster.

rave426 08-15-2006 01:12 PM

Im surprised they havnt allowed Aston Martin a larger capacity fuel tank to break up the Vettes recent victories.

If the big companies were in there this would be rediculous. Just becase Audi happened to think about using a diesel engine that is more reliable and uses less gas doesnt mean the others get gifts. The only reason its not crazy is because the "privateers" to have a smaller budget and dont have the funding for the research and testing that Audi put into that car.

AHHH.....I remember the haydays of LM in my generation. Back when we had BMW LM's, Nissan RC's, Toyota GT1's, and Mercs.........even back when the Oreca Viper was doing well.......and further back to the Renown days...

Today it just isnt as exciting to me.

BMW and Merc needs to get that rival started again :twisted:

666fast 08-15-2006 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rave426
Im surprised they havnt allowed Aston Martin a larger capacity fuel tank to break up the Vettes recent victories.

The Vettes have been handed weight penalties recently due to Astons pissing and moaning.

nickthaskater 08-15-2006 08:33 PM

The Aston's don't lose because they're slow, they lose because they're fragile. That, and they're actually competitive, unlike the majority of privateer LMP1 cars.

T-Bird 08-15-2006 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by goodduck
i would love to see the audi ad that comes out of this.

Audi: Too Damn Fast
Audi: Making Diesels Fun
Audi: Polluting the World at 200 mph

666fast 08-15-2006 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Bird
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Originally Posted by goodduck
i would love to see the audi ad that comes out of this.

Audi: Too Damn Fast
Audi: Making Diesels Fun
Audi: Polluting the World at 200 mph

Specially blended diesel from Shell along with the cats or whatever they use, the emissions are actually pretty low. None of that black soot whatsoever from what I've read.

dutchmasterflex 08-16-2006 02:22 AM

This is one of the problems I have with motorsport today..

Since ever since, motorsport has been about going faster, constant implementation of new technology, to go faster.

Ever since the explosion of speed tech from the late 70's to the 80's, as soon as one team or car comes up with a way to go fast, they get banned for next year..

But then again they allow things like launch control to make starts the most boring part of the race.


Back on topic about the R10 and series,

They aren't even penalizing the R10, but giving an advantage to the opponents? WTF is the point of that?!

If they put realistic restrictions on the R10 they can atleast develop new technology to improve in other ways.

dannyroz 08-16-2006 01:30 PM

^^ I see your point when it comes to restrictions but the Diesel technology is too new and hasnt been fully developed. The small factory teams already have had their cars for a while since they cant afford constant upgrades like the factory backed team, so making them [small teams] faster is the only way at this moment.

The R8 didnt even have restrictions until the last 2 seasons of competitions because Audi wanted to fully develop the tech coming out of the car.

And if the R10 wasnt as reliable out of the box as it has been than we wouldnt be having this post in the first place...but thats diesel for ya :P

bmagni 08-17-2006 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dani_d_mas
Ah - and Mercedes and Ferrari coming back, alongside with Porsche in LMP1 - would be a dream come true!! **dreming**

keep dreaming, I'd love to see it, but I guess they cant afford more than one motrosport... :roll:

vexor 08-17-2006 04:04 PM

More complaning about the R10

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Audi R10 has "insurmountable and crushing advantage"
As previously reported, the American Le Mans Series has allowed Dyson Racing to modify its race car mid-season in order to allow it to compete more effectively with the diesel-powered Audi R10. On Monday, we brought you commentary from Audi about the new rules, which it said were unfair. Dyson Racing has now responded, saying, "it is proven on the track on multiple occasions that this new technology provides an insurmountable and crushing advantage, then it is no longer racing but rather a demonstration run."

"We were perplexed by Audi Sport's reaction to the well-intentioned measures the ALMS is taking to improve the quality of racing," said Chris Dyson, Sporting Director of Dyson Racing, in response to Audi's recent public threats to leave the series. "We normally wouldn't respond to such remarks, but since we have been directly addressed by a competitor, we feel it is appropriate to respond.

"We understand the ACO's need to grant latitude in the rules to encourage an unproven technology, and Audi's diesel R10 is a technological wonder. There is no question that Audi have produced an amazing machine under the current regulations.

"But when it is proven on the track on multiple occasions that this new technology provides an insurmountable and crushing advantage, then it is no longer racing but rather a demonstration run.

"We were surprised at the stridency of Audi's reaction. It is the job of a sanctioning body to adjust the rules as needed, and as competitors we abide by their changes. We realize that these adjustments may not create an ideally level playing field, but all that racers look for is a reasonable opportunity to be competitive. In over 20 years of its history with IMSA, Dyson Racing has never shied away from a fair fight and our reputation is founded on taking the fight to the best in the world.

"Audi's posture is puzzling given the current situation. Our car has been given a weight break, which helps us slightly over a lap. The upcoming increase in LMP1 gasoline-powered fuel tanks by five liters will provide some very small relief, but given diesel's greater energy per liter properties, in its current guise the Audi R-10 still maintains a disproportionate advantage over gasoline-powered prototypes. Their greater straight line speeds and much better fuel economy have not changed. And that central issue still remains – the absurd disparity between diesel and gasoline fuel economy. And these areas also need to be addressed.

"We applaud the American Le Mans Series' understanding of the spirit of sports car racing and we hope that their collaborative efforts with the ACO will continue to make the ALMS and Le Mans a place for fair competition. We trust that our competitors will understand the need to work together to foster the growth of our racing series."

-LeftLaneNews.com

rave426 08-17-2006 04:36 PM

Well the teams can easily see if audi would sell them variants of that winning engine. :D ......yeah right

spanky 08-17-2006 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dani_d_mas
So - if someone develops a winning technology - diesel engines - the rivals just say it's an unfair disadvantage....... :roll: :roll:

Yep thats pretty much it in a nutshell! :roll:

nickthaskater 08-17-2006 08:26 PM

If Audi were still running the all-conquering R8, I don't think there would be any difference in the complaints right now.

gucom 08-21-2006 03:58 PM

Well all ur complaints aren't entirely true imo... all teams are restricted by rules, to make the competition in each class more or less even/fair. If the other (petrol) teams are competing while having to follow rules that simply don't allow for the kind of speed that the diesel rules allow for, its simply unfair. A 5.5 litre twin turbo V12 is allowed for diesel engines, while petrol engines can only be 6l NA or ¿3.5? litre turbocharged. Those rules have applied to petrol engines for quite some years now, and there hasn't really been a hige lot of improvement in terms of power anymore, so apparently the current engines are about hte maximum possible with the current rules (not counting in insane development budgets like in F1 ofcourse). If under the new diesel regs Audi comes up and immediately has an engine that's much much stronger, i think it's logical to conclude the rules give them much of the advantage, not just their very high skill and knowledge and expertise.

BTW i'm sad to see so many regulations in all forms of motorsports, but seriously with modern technology without these rules cars would get too fast for the human mind to be able to control, it would bring back the days of lethal accidents again. But it was great to see technology being pushed and genius solutions being thought of in the era of less rules...


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