New musclecars opinion
 

OK, tell me what you think about the new musclecars that we will be seeing soon (The GT500 is already out). Some of these are speculations, but they are more than likely going to happen.

NO BLASTED USA HATING EITHER

A return of a ZL1 style COPO Camaro would be great - probably would never happen, but it would be great.

I like the new Challenger

the challenger looks great; but the GT500 is the ONLY muscle car that is a reality (the Mustang GT is a pony car.... not a muscle car til somebody decides to get some power adders in there)

the Camaro.... LS3 engined; and there is potential for the LS7... as the Vette will have the 6.2 liter s/c engine at that time. the LS3 is hanging 450ish hp n/a. I have to wonder about the prices vs. each other.

the Mustang will unoquivically be the performance bargin; and i don't look forward to the prices of the competitors.

The Camaro is the best looking of em all... but its just the concept, the concept mustang looked much better than the final thing... we'll have to wait and see

I think think the camaro and challenger will both look sick in production form. And sadly, I think all these cars will be near the same price.

Its gonna be the 60-70's all over again.."Mine sounds better than yours" , and plenty of stop light racing. The times are looking good for American power...........lets just hope that the other cars follow the GT500 and understand how to cope with a hairpin.

Have the Challenger and the Camaro independent rear supension?

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the Challenger will have IRS, according to my sources
the Camaro wont, according to my sources

and that is why the Mustang will continue in production, while the Challenger will be here for a few glorious years, then disappear again...

GM is feverishly trying to make the Camaro more affordable.. so we'll see

That is plus for the Dodge

I wouldn't expect GM to sit back and let Ford eat up all the sales with the Mustang. there has always been a rivalry between the two, you had Mustang drivers and you had Camaro drivers. If it's built (I believe it will be) it will be a hot seller.

My favorite is the Challenger, I love the way it looks. Only problem is, I wouldn't even consider buying one unless it'll be the SRT model. Which won't be cheap!

This is what scares me about a rehash of the Muscle Car era.

First off, the prices. Muscle cars were affordable pavement pounders that sucked gas and hauled ass. If the companies allow the legends to support their egos and price them accordingly, these cars are only going to be obtainable by the crowd that grew up with them in the 60s. To maintain the spirit of these cars, you need to maintain the attainability. Yes, i understand the whole pay to play concept, but the ancestors of these cars defied that.

Second. Insurance. Premiums are one of the factors that contributed to the dissappearance of most of the muscle cars, and the premiums of new cars today as it is, makes the prospect of buying a new car completely out of the question. You'll pay more per month for insurance than you will your car note. Especially if the Red Light Challenge re-emerges. It's bad e-fucking-nough with the ricers doing it. But you throw 500+ HP beasts into the mix, being "controlled" by drivers who don't know what to do when the rear end steps out, and you are again on your way to seeing the demise of powerful american cars.

Third. Automatic transmissions. The Charger doesn't have an option for a 5 or 6-speed manual, i'm sure the Challenger doesn't either. Fortunately the Mustang does and i desperately hope the Camaro will too. But as far as i can tell, the transmission choice will be a contributing factor to the second demise of the Charger/Challenger.

Another thing that scares me about this "new muscle car era" is the fact that the last time there was a muscle car era in the USA, there was also an oil crisis :drinking:

the cars contributed nothing to that. 90% of an oil crisis is media invoking fears.

Actually the challenger will have the same 6 speed manual transmission that is in the Viper.

And the way the government wants us to believe it, we already are in an oil crisis. - Yet there is no shortage----at all

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UPDATE - The new Boss (302) Mustang will have the 5.0L with at least 390hp and it will get a slightly stirpped out interior and the same suspension setup as the GT500 (Remember this is based from the 4.6L aluminum block so this car should wieght about 3500-3600lbs vs the GT500 3990) . It looks like this is going to be all around performer to have............unless the challenger and camaro lose some weight.

i dont know anything about Boss.... but i did hear something about another B name ...

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/artic...ds/bossone.jpg
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/artic..._01_rs_001.jpg
http://www.projectrich.com/blog/imag.../07/camaro.jpg
http://racedriven.wordpress.com/file...challenger.jpg



i would love to see the 5.0 come back. but i think the others are going to be to over priced.

I really like the look and package of the Boss mustang. I will be really tempted to get it next year, because when the 400hp camaro comes out, unless GM invest in some major weight savings, the Boss is going to destroy it. So theoretically at a probable price of around 30-32K MSRP, the Boss will have no competition.

I suppose it rather depends on the definition of "best". Cost-no-object I'd say that an LS7-equipped Camaro will probably be the best performance car, but on a cost-performance basis, I'd have to go with the GT500. Looks, probably the Boss or possibly the Challenger, as they most faithfully recreate the classics.

I went with the cost-no-object perspective though.

What MRSP do you think the LS7 equiped camaro will put up. Im guessing around the same as the GT500. The only deal breaker is that Ford put out a good amount of energy making the GT500 a decent handler. Sure Chevy put time into the Vette with testing on the ring, but I am curious to see how the camaro's "capabilites" comapare to the GT500.

whatever Chevy and DxC answer with, Ford will be 2 steps ahead of them in 2009.

oh, and wait til. 2008.5, a name is properly resurected ;)

Mustang's are yawners. They are too cutesy and cuddly. I want my muscle car to look like it will beat the crap out of some fancy shmancy euro car that probably handles better and goes faster.

On that note, one of the only cars that has ever actually scared me as I was driving opposite of it was a '67-'69 Camaro. Unfortunately the windshield on the Camaro Concept is not steep enough and it is a little too curvy in the front.

Thus, the Plymouth 'Cuda, uh...., I mean the Dodge Challenger concept which retains more and better retro styling cues is my choice.