Blue Devil Vette to be produced - now called Sting Ray
 

600 hp... though doesn't say if its gonna be supercharged or NA

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...4/TOC01ARCHIVE

link doesnt work for me

Will never happen.

It's a free system - you have the money - you buy it. GM needs trhe money, they will not turn anyone away.

You don't need any special license to buy a 190mph 0-60mph in 1.9s $10,000 super bike... why should they have this requirement for dog slow roawd car? ;)

As Borat would say, "I like, Jagshemash!!!"

:D

How different is it going to be from a Z06 in terms of styling?

remember it's still not euro... :P

Exactly. All the car magz say the power of the Vette is awesome but just lacking a bit in the suspension department. I guess thats good old American enginuity for ya

Still 600hp from the factory is recockulous :twisted:

right, I wonder how much tuning will the Vette owners will do... if they'd pumped out 800 hp and 1000 hp (but thats too insane) from a 400 hp, what will they do with 600 hp from the factory... anyways theyll start braggin about how their low cost tuned car can beat an enzo... for less than half the price... without expensive oil change... and for less cost... and not having to spend so much... :P

It;ll be cheaper to buy a Z06 and mod it to 800 hp than it will be to pay whatever dealers charge for this super vette with only 600 hp.

Shit, there are already tuners that have a headers and cam package that puts down 0ver 550 RWHP (about 690 hp at the fly) for a few thousand dollars.

not going to say "see i told you so" i promice :wink:

Heres another one for you Nth... I guess 7m42s around the Nurburgring is "just lacking a bit in the suspension department"... :roll:

its got such poor suspension, that other 500+ hp exotic supercars lap in 7:50, 7:55 etc.

with 600++ hp, that will reduce the time by 4-5 seconds over the course length... however the "media named" blue devil will feature heavily revised aerodynamics; further use of exotic materials; and likely be less weight then the already lighter-then-most-exotics 3100 lbs.

GM is vying for Nurburgring production car lap record. sub 7:32 is realistic

that is poor suspension, my friend

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It'll be NA. Americans know how to build high HP engines without forcefeeding them :wink:

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ive already seen the S/C'd engine, hidden in another vehicle.

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LIAR!!!! :lol:

How many runs around the 'ring did GM take to set that time? 1? 100? How much of the suspension was tweaked according to each run to get a better time on the next lap?

Nth - here another one for you to take up.

How many runs - who the fuck cares - do you ask "How many runs does it take Porsche to perfect the 911 or CGT setup?"

I didn't think so.

The suspension was STOCK - all adjustments were within specs of the STOCK car. Whether you choose to believe it or not, the Sachs shocks used on the run are on the STOCK car.. the Goodyear Tyres used on the run are the STOCK tyres on the car... oh and the heigh adjustment? The car has a height adjustable suspension STOCK

Exactly how many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly how many times do you have to see information posted by long time senior members who have NEVER posted bullshit, and in fact go out of their way to ONLY post facts and truth and in fact were invited to participate from an early time becaus eof the FACTS and HONESTY, before you take the informaiton on face value?

I will answer for you - You and others will NEVER accept this informaiotn because it doesn't fit in with your stupid Jeremy Clarkson view of al things American.

Why don't you call st-anger out for posting bullshit abou tPorsches?

Well?

Why do you simply accept what he says and posts for the facts they are?

I will tell you why - because he is posting about goddamned european car - thats' why.

And that is why I am leaving JW Because of this shit that continues year in and year out.

Have at it nth... good luck, you will need it.

Stop being such a drama queen. You're taking this too far right now....

I mean, you're not going to let a guy driving a Golf with extensive bodykit tell you what a performance car is, now aren't you? ;)

No it is not being taken to far - this is the point.

JW has been up for 3 years.

That is over 1000 days .. and every single day has some uninformed person making some comment about "shit americna this or shit american that" - followed 34 other uninformed yahoos with "Yeah - they sure suck at this and that blah blah blah"...

Day in and day out.

Every signle post concerning the Viper, vette, GT etc has to have somebody jump in with a "suck can't turn is crap blah blah" and then followed up by the same story again and again.

People are free to have what ever opinion they wan t- but it would seem that the facts that disprove those opinions are ignored and discarded and then uninformed commenst are made and yet more false information is perpetuated.

JW was originally intended to be a fun GLOBAL community - not to be a "eurofan" community with snide remarks leveled at every american all the time.

I have probably 50 people I have NOT invited to join JW because they would be very dissapointed in the immature opiions and comments and attitudes directed by many "euro fan boys".

TeflonTrons comment is a perfect example.

You don't see comments of Porsche or Ferrari prowess quesitoned like this.. and if they were, they would be accepted as soon as an aswer was given.

Here we are 3 years later and still this crap continues.

This is NOT the spirits and intent that Jabba had in mind - and I know, he invited me to join knowing exactly why I left RF, and the assurance was "This is a different bunch - they are true enthusiasts - they are reasonable - they will listen to reason and be fun to be around".

well - he was right, but we have lost so many of the original core group, and many of those that remain show their true colours daily.

This place was fun - now it's not.

GM only spent 2 weeks in germany testing if memory serves.

in that time, the hot lap was the second of three laps. a warm up lap, hot lap, and a cool down lap with Jan Magnusun at the helm.

prior to setting the amazing lap time; who knows how much the Z06 team adjusted camber, castor; how many clicks on the suspension; ride height etc. it doesn't matter.

q:how many times to race cars change thier geometries prior to a race?
a: as many times as nessisary to get the pilot both comfortable, and as fast as he possibly can lap after lap.

the point is, the settings on the hot-lap were done with the same settings the production car has.

people complain that the vette lacks "feel" in the suspension... well; this is a similar complaint from many reviewers regarding the 1+++Million dollar Mclaren F1.

you people can't have it both ways. if the car lacks feel, and cost $65,000; and has such high tolerances; who is to argue anything about it feeling like the unpredictable Mclaren F1?

Meh, i'd take a W8 anyway, and trounce em all :P

people dont realize how many really arn't here anymore. there are those who left publically... and the quiet dissenters who sometimes even still logon... but there isn't anything they feel worth posting about. that group almost seems invisible these days; even when some of us try to stir things up. 0X

Now I see why Jabba, Dan, and TT were doing what they did do back in early January; where before I didn't understand it. I can't say it was the wrong move.

I'll look youup in Michigan one day - be sure to arrange a secret meet with the white W8.. ;)

Good luck buddy - over and out :P

What do you want? Convert every single person out there? Because of what? Because of who? Keep in mind that your ongoing efforts to drag the superiority of the Z06 compared to other sportscars into many topics didn't help either. There are a few guys here trying to push your buttons, just ingore those and talk with the ones that do appreciate the Z06 for what it is.

As long as this is an open forum you'll find uninformed idiots. Live with it. You're not going to find a place where this shit doesn't happen. On Corvetteforums there just the same pack of idiots, just with a different perspective. Same applies for every other forum. With size unfortunately comes stupidity.

BTW, it's not as dramatic as you depict the current situation IMO.

But anyway, ignore the "few juvenile ignorant pricks" and get over yourself.

Convert who? nobody is trying convert anyone.

What superiority? It is as capable - never said any different - if I drove a Citroen 2CV and people made false comments I would offer appropriate correct info.

And JW as a community should have been above that. You guys still don't get it do you?

Hwy do you think Dan et el left? JW was supposed "the different" forum - the - but people are people and in the end the few ruin it for the many.

It's not about the car - it's about the fact that everything "not euro" is picked apart and trashed simply because it's "not euro" - the same attitude and arrogance took Dans work as an example, for granted.

Long term members ought to move above that behaviour - afterall thats what was "supposed to make JW different"...

Which is why - again - wasn't JW "the different frum" - guess not.

Again - you guys really don't get why we had other long-timers leave.

Enjoy the stay.

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http://www.nthimage.com/spy_shots/up...r_SS_LS9_1.jpg

it was in this vehicle

Will you stop getting your panties in a bunch? I did not saying anything negative about the Z06. All I asked was how many laps GM ran the car at the 'ring before they got the final time, and how much tweaking to the suspension they did in order to achieve that. That was all. Are you so insecure that you are unable to answer a very, very simple question from someone such as myself who is simply asking a question so that he can receive an answer in order to better knowledge himself?

are these the same questions you had asked about P cars at the ring? or the BMW's, or mercs, or audi's, or whatever? is it so hard to believe that an American blue collar car can lap faster then the hard-edged exotics from europe?

cirtain information isn't made public... whether from GM, BMW, Ferrari etc. do you know the spring rates, and camber angles of your favorite cars?

its an odd question begging to get such a responce.

the facts remain the same.... and soon, we'll have HvS do the full supertest on the car at NS... will it, or wont it be faster then the 997 GT3? how fast is the 997 GT3? :wink:

if i were to "speculate" based on reliable information... the C6 Z will get a 7:46-48 with HvS driving.

keep in mind, the new Z is also running on crappy tire compounds that are run-flats

No, it's not an odd question begging anything. This is a thread about the Blue Devil, is it not? I asked a very simple question about the current Z06's suspension and how many runs GM did at the 'ring and how they tweaked the settings to get a better time and a better car. No more or less than that. I couldn't care less about how others here and elsewhere bash the 'vette: I just wanted a simple answer to a simple question. I also couldn't give two figs about the Z06 vs 997 "battle" that people try and run with. The Z06 is a very, very fast car, be it in a straightline or on a track. Some people think that it looks like crap and others love it: the same holds true for any other car. There's really no need to defend either RC45 or the Z06 as I wasn't attacking either of them.

Not everyone who posts a question about the Z06 or America/American cars has an axe to grind.

fair enough.

however, again, it is an odd question to ask people who weren't involved in engineering this car.

Is it? RC seems to be very knowledgeable on the subject so I asked him whether he knew, that's all.

Holy crap! What just happened in this thread?

Anyhow, the reason I said about the Vette suspension being crappy is because from my numerous articles that I have read, most if not all say that the Vette is a great fast car but its not a drivers car. There is no feel with the road.

So in essence I should have made myself a little more clearer.

And since we went off topic a long time ago...I dont think all American cars suck but you have to admit that when it comes to handling we are just getting into the game. Its not our faults of course, we have long straights and thats what people have adapted to. Europe is the other way around with lots of trail roads and such. My 2 cents

more news.

a supposedly GM dealer posted this on Digital Corvettes:

A special limited edition is being planned for next spring - no hard details until 1st of the year or so….”

As a true Corvette enthusiast I can tell you for $100,000+ it better weight 2500lb, be made of carbon fibre and lap the Nurburgring in 7:15s - because to justify the cost going from $70,000 to $100,000 and only bump power by 95bhp (505 to 600) is a big let down.

Besidse which who is going to buy the car unless it is the C6 Z06 GT-3 car with lights and A/C... ??

I know that king of the ring is the Vettes' goal.... but without dave hill... i really wonder how good this car is going to be.

RC: do you think that the additional cost of $30,000 is enough to disuade most of the potential buyers? Do you think that they will stick with the Z06 and just tune that instead? Personally, I can't see too many people wanting one, unless it's a collector's car, as those that can lay down $100k for a car tend, no offense meant, to think about other things than just outright speed.

I believe that the Z06's $65,000 price tag is spoiling us and therefore the expectations from a $100,000 Vette are going to be at ENZO levels. If they had only charged us 85grand in the beginning for a Z06 the transition to the 100,000 price tag would have been easier to accept even with only a 95hp increase :P

The $100,00 price tag will immidiatly eliminate 95% of all the Z06 buyers on day one.

The car has such sales success because ordinary working folks with a family and a kid and a morgage and bills can afford it - it gives EVERYONE a chance to have super car performance in the driveway.

This is a bit of a stretch at $70,000 and sales have been a little slower than C5 Z06 sales - as the $20,000 price diff. didn't come with a $20,000 salary or savings account increase for the majority of the buying pool.

Many of us will wait for the C6 Z06 price to creep down and buy a used one - I paid $38,000 for my 1 year old C5 Z06 - it is now worth about $27,000 on the open market.

Thats $27,000 for 0-60 in 4s, 12s 1/4 mile, 175mph top end, 1+ G skid pad, 7m56s Nurburgring time - stock. And it has a roof, A/C, CD player, and leather seats.. :P

There is no other performance bargain like than anywhere on the planet...

Withint 3 years the C6 Z06 will be a $35,000 car... what a bargain - and it will be still capable of 7m42s Nurburgring times.

For $100,000 the new one better be hand made by naked virgins to be cost justified - by "ordinary" people.

No offence taken - but I think youplace too much on the "other things" - people with $100K+ to throw around often want snob appeal - that is the only "other" thing you get. The lads at the country club will swoon over your status symbol - in otherwords its a "big dick" thing. ;)

A $100,000 Corvette will suffer the same poor sales the Ford GT has - the car is great, but the rich snobs wont buy them, and there are only so many rich "down to earth" car guys.

These people will and do buy $50,000 C5 Z06's and now $70,000 C6 Z06's and then spend another $100,000 making them faster - because they can and they enjoy it. Jay Leno is such a guy.

But these people are few and far between - Ferrari Lambo and Porsche among others don't cater to these people - they cater to the snobs who want people to know that they have big bank accounts.

:)

Why go supercharger to get 600hp :?: Simple tweaks on the LS7 will gave u that already?

http://www.lingenfelter.com/pacc6_ZO6camintake.htm
(I am sure u can find much cheaper cams, but I am just too lazy to search) :wink:

GM better give much more than hp for 30k more

Perople are already WAY over the 600 hp mark with just headers and cam packages. These kits go for just a few grand.

For someone to pay an extra $30,000 for the same thing would be a real "Look what I have" thing. I think that mey be what GM is hoping for.

This car won't really be aimes at the norman entheisiast. It will be for the rich guy who has no clue how to drive it and will only buy it for status.

Although I'm not sure how much buying a $100,000+ Chevrolet says about ones intelligence. Or lack thereof. :wink:

For him and the hardcore Vette collector. I can see many people lining up for them, especially if they are built in very small numbers.

Exactly, it will still be for "Look what I have" purposes.

The Z06 is the ultimate package
500 HP
742 lap time
and when ever the car feels like it, it can be a convertible. :lol: :lol:

Oh - the same people Ferrari aim for ;) :P

Uhm - there wont be 5,000 people lining up for them - Dodge cannot even sell every Viper they make each year and they only make 2,000 or so - and they discount them at the end of the year.

Ferrari owners are the worst out there. They just tool around with their Paddle shifts below 4,000 RPMs, i hate them so much. :o

30k is quite a hike up in price, I suppose they will do little tweaks everywhere to justify the price. I'd like to see a bit more leather and perhaps replace plastic with aluminium inside, to give it a bit more chique.

Too bad the car will take a big hike in price when it comes to Europe.

Whilst $70k is roughly 90,000chf over here, the car itself sells for another 20k over that price. So a price tag of $100k "should" be 125,000chf, but will end up closer to 150,000chf for sure.

At that price tag, the traditional European customer will eye up European exotics just because they're the "well known show off rides" this side of the ocean.

Wish the dealers didn't mark them up so much over here...

Great article ^^^^^

The only really good thing about this car is that it may help bring down the price of a nice used Z06. Thats the market that I'm realy watching as I plan on hving one in the next few years.

old, and repost.....

but.... the "blue devil" is out and about in various mules under the guise of a C6 Z06.. not many people outside the project even knows what the styling cues are...

nice photoshop.... im guessing the naca ducting is to cool the rear dif? I would like a more aggressive front facia... but hey, if it laps a sub 7:30... could anybody complain?

word is it has the C6 R style Coil over supsension...

Everything I've seen so far points towards a more hardcore car. Lighter weight (I think the goal is 2,800 or less), more race-bred suspension, more powerful engine of course, and things like that. I remember reading a while back that the Corvette team were toying with carbon-ceramic brakes as well, but decided against using them on the Z06 until they could offer them at an affordable price, so I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up on the Sting Ray as well.

I really don't think this car will disappoint, the rest of the C6 line-up has already succeeded with flying colours.

And yea, that's a nice photochop up there, I'd kill for a street Vette that looked like that :wink:

isn't it just the C6-R without the wing ??